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So - any discussion about how to deal with this dominate list?

Just take a nob biker list yourself.

If nob bikers are good against nob bikers you'll win.

If they're bad against nob bikers, your opponent won't be able to win.

Aldonis wrote:So - any discussion about how to deal with this dominate list?

I found that a decent brace of heavy support fire for a couple turns will do it. dumping an ML havoc squad and 6 oblits into a big nob biker squad doesn't leave many left after a couple turns of fire. If they've got a ten man squad you should be able to kill half the squad off in two turns and force two morale tests on it.

Actually Nob Bikers are more resiliant than that. They should turbo boost turn 1 and charge as much as possible on turn 2. So 1 turn of shooting at 3+ cover wont do much.

Best way to beat them is in HTH through resolution.

Darkness wrote:Actually Nob Bikers are more resiliant than that. They should turbo boost turn 1 and charge as much as possible on turn 2. So 1 turn of shooting at 3+ cover wont do much.

Throw your heavy weapons in ruins or something on the second level, and they can't ever assault you

remember, bikes can't assault into anything but the bottom level.

Best way to beat them is in HTH through resolution.

Short of getting off a charge with a 10man tooled out Khornate terminator squad, how does one accomplish this?

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I played in a turny and i had to fight Nob Bikers thay killed two hole SM squads in two turns



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lots of guns and a tank or a lazgun

Well, depends on your army, really. If you're a Necron, I'd imagine that the Nightbringer could rip the hell out of a biker squad, if he can manage to engage them.

For orks, Ghaz on a Waaagh! should be able to do some very heavy damage(7 attacks that instant kill everything in the nobz' arsenal on the charge, with a 2++ save). He should be able to inflict around 2.5 wounds on the charge, while the enemy would inflict less then 2 on him. Of course, that's just off the top of my head, so that may be a bit off. Anyway, since those would be instant kill wounds, and since you have to administer instant kill wounds to whole models, that's 2.5 kills in one charge for one character. Not bad. Although not everyone wants to run Ghaz...

Nightbringer can expect similar results to Ghaz, I think.

Close combat. No involuntary saves when in close combat. For a added bonus, charge them, instead of having them charge you.

They are hardly stoppable.
I run a double lash Noise Marine army. Bunching them up and shooting them with plasma weapons (Obliterators) and blastmasters (double strength vs. instant kill) is a way to deal with them. But double lash is itself top tier and so you might also ask how to deal with double lash.

I killed a 6-Nob squadron once wih tiranids 1 was venom cannoned by mi tirand (or carny can't remember which got past the boost save) the rest whre killed in close combat (no cover saves) by 22 gargoyels (12 or 13 casualties over 2 assault phases) gotta love those fleet flyers!

ap2
Strength 8+ if possible

Ordinance!

I have quite a few warbikes in my army, and they don't always perform well!! if you can whittle down their numbers with shooting and if you survive the charge, then you should be able to beat them in combat resolution.

but orks are orks, you can never beat them.

It's difficult to survive a charge off fully tooled nob bikerz with anything other than huge units and/or luck.

I would personally sacrifice something to get them into an assaultable position then counter charge on MY terms.

However, if someone knows what they're doing, they probably won't fall for it

SM might be able to get them through resolution with an unexpected Vanguard drop, but they're expensive and they always scatter away too far

Countering FnP with AP 4 is a safer bet, and most such weapons will be high enough Strength to wound on a 3+/2+. Heavy Bolters and the like can keep 'em at 36" for at least one turn...

I've actually never played against them, and the prospect is intimidating with my Mech Eldar or my SM, but I'm thinking I'd sit back potting six S8/AP2 shots from my falcons, and when a charge is unavoidable, swooping in to to get as much bladestorm/fusiongun/doomguide as I can. If that doesn't do it... I guess it didn't work.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:
Countering FnP with AP 4 is a safer bet, and most such weapons will be high enough Strength to wound on a 3+/2+. Heavy Bolters and the like can keep 'em at 36" for at least one turn...

AP4 won't negate their FNP. FNP is only negated by weapons that don't allow any armor saves, not just the armor save of the model being hit. The FNP rule is very badly worded, but unless its AP1 or 2, they get their FNP (else FNP on plaguebearers for instance would be rather worthless as they have no armor save, only an invul)

A Seer Council can beat it.
On Saturday, in a multi-player battle, I faced an Ork army with 2 Nobz squads on foot and 1 Nobz Biker squad. My Seer Council took down a Nobz squad in cc due to combat resolution. But then the Council got under psi-cannon fire and died.

A Seer Council can eventually do it. Remember that witch blades don't care if the Nobz are mounted on bikes or not. They wound on 2+ anyway.

Marines can do a nasty combo of scout bikes + locator beacon + sternguard in pod and/or vanguard.

You may not wipe them out but you will cause lots of damage.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:Marines can do a nasty combo of scout bikes + locator beacon + sternguard in pod and/or vanguard.

You may not wipe them out but you will cause lots of damage.

Sternguard Veterans with combi-meltas can eventually whittle them down.

what about a group of eldar shining spears they attack first and will at least do some damage plus they cost less than a nob and if they assault they get power (that pesky fnp gone)weapons on first assault that are str6 and they can fire before assaulting i think and if the nobs win 65/100 chance thye cant assualt till next turn so you might have one last chance to shoot them if the combat ends on the ork turn



REally for this strategy to work you let the orks go first

A squad of Shining Spears is too small for larger impact.
Imagine 4 Shining Spears plus 1 Exarch: The Spears have 8 attacks, 4 hits, three wounds. If the Nobz have a +5 invulnerable save, one Nob goes down. The Exarch has 3 attacks, two hits, two wounds with strength 8 can kill two Nobz; maybe only one. Then the Nobz hit back and annihilate the Spears.

Sternguard are not an effective counter to nob bikers.

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Sternguard? Why not?
Ten combi-melta shots: 7 hits, 6 wounds, 6 dead Nobz or 3 dead Nobz if they get a cover save.

Or 2 dead nobs if they turbo-boosted the turn before. Then the 7 remaining nobs and joined warboss assault the Sternguard and wipe them out.

Remember, nobs on bikes always have a 4+ cover from their bikes, so there isn't an "if" regarding whether or not they get a cover save against most weapons.

Ironically, my DE tournament list has performed relatively well against nob bikers. It packs 22 S8 AP 2 weapons and lots of power weapons that wound on 4+ regardless of toughness. They key little item is the horrofex/terrorfex. Since the boss-pole re-roll only works on Morale tests (not all Leadership tests), they don't get the re-roll for pin checks. People are often unprepared for how these items work, but if you can kill one model from each nob biker squad, you'd be surprised how easy it is to pin them. Once both squads are pinned, focus fire on one turn after turn until they're whittled down far enough to assault and sweep through combat resolution. With two tooled nob biker squads in a list, there isn't enough left over to worry you too much (usually only one other unit of either gretchin or shootas).

Saldiven wrote:Or 2 dead nobs if they turbo-boosted the turn before. Then the 7 remaining nobs and joined warboss assault the Sternguard and wipe them out.

Remember, nobs on bikes always have a 4+ cover from their bikes, so there isn't an "if" regarding whether or not they get a cover save against most weapons.

Shrugg. That's what they gonna do.

There are roughly 10 threads on this topic in the tactics forum. Some of them actually have decent information in them too. If you're interested in sound advice, head there.

All genestealer army. Genestealer initiative bests furious charge and then begins the rending...

wuestenfux wrote:

Saldiven wrote:Or 2 dead nobs if they turbo-boosted the turn before. Then the 7 remaining nobs and joined warboss assault the Sternguard and wipe them out.

Remember, nobs on bikes always have a 4+ cover from their bikes, so there isn't an "if" regarding whether or not they get a cover save against most weapons.

Shrugg. That's what they gonna do.

Or 1 dead nob if the Ork player allocates one wound on the Waaaghboss...

Anyway, the discussion at the tactical board was also not very fruitful.
Nobz Bikers are hard to avoid. They will reach the enemy front ranks at turn 2.
However, if the Ork army contains no fast units bar the Nobz Bikers, then there is a chance to take them down by concentrated fire.

Death Gear wrote:(off topic)

I played in a turny and i had to fight Nob Bikers thay killed two hole SM squads in two turns

I can't resist.. The bikers killed two holes? I feel sorry for those holes..

No no no they kiled the SM's holes