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Hey everyone. This will be my first post beyond the obligatory intro. Suffice to say, I'm a veteran of 40k, but this 5e and new Ork dex sorcery are new to me. Thus, I would appreciate any help that can be offered on my list. The idea is to be able to take all comers, and potentially become a tourney army.

HQ:

Warboss - 140 pt. (Soon to be represented by this model. *drool*)
-Bosspole
-PK
-Warbike
-Cybork Body

Big Mek
-KFF
-Grot Oiler
-Bosspole

He rides in the second BW And projects a green bubble of happiness around my vehicles.

Elites:

11 Burna Boyz - 165 pt.

They ride in the second BW with the Big Mek. I am undecided on this unit, and could easily take Lootas, as I have the bits for both handy. I know I'll be playing beakies a lot, so the thought of more Power Weapons appealed to me. Then again, in my Chaos days, I used to always take a havoc squad with 4 Autocannons, and absolutely loved the result.

Troops:

5 Biker Nobz (including Painboy) - 350 pt.
-2 PK
-2 Kombi-Rokkit
-1 Kombi-Skorcha
-Cybork Body
-Painboy
- Grot Orderly

Da Bosses' retinue. Pain on a stick, as far as I can see.

20 Boyz (Including Nob) - 180 pts.
-Shootaz
-2 Rokkit Launchas
-Nob
-Bosspole
-PK

Ride in the non Killkannon Wagon. Some discussions on another forum have me sold on the idea of bringing some shoota boyz for extra flexibility. I think they'll do nicely with some of the 5e objective stuff and a Battlewagon to ride in.

12 Boyz (Including Nob) - 152 Pts.
-Slugga and Choppa
-Nob
-PK
-Bosspole
-Trukk
-Grot Rigger

12 Boyz (Including Nob) - 152 Pts.
-Slugga and Choppa
-Nob
-PK
-Bosspole
-Trukk
-Grot Rigger

I didn't have the Riggers at first, but decided that it would probably be for the best to at least take a couple. If I drop them, though, it's a few precious extra points.


Fast Attack:

3 Warbuggies - 105 Pts.
-Twin Linked Rokkit Launchas

Bullet-catchers and some extra Rokkits. Besides, I just plain like them.

2 Deffkoptas - 90 Pts.
-Twin Linked Rokkit Launchas

If there is a unit I am not sold on, it's this. I think I may need to give them a chance on the table before I make the final call, but losing these gets me an extra Nob biker and some vehicle upgrades, possibly including Rokkits on the Trukks or in the Trukk mobs. Alternatively, if I lose these and the Grot riggers above, I almost have enough for another 3 buggies.

Heavy Support:

Battlewagon - 140 Pts.
-2 Big Shootas
-Armor Plates
-Deff Rolla
-Grot Rigger
-Red Paint Job

This is to carry the Shoota Boy mob. It's big and armored to get them there, and can run stuff over, which is always good for a laugh. The Red Paint is to help minimize the oupacing that the Trukks will do.

Battlewagon - 185 Pts.
-2 Big Shootas
-Kilkannon
-Deff Rolla
-Red Paint Job

As I said, I expect to be going after Beakies, so the Killkannon seems like a big plus. This is where the Big Mek rides with the Burnas/Lootas, though I may change that, seeing as this one is going to be moving a lot slower.

Total: 1749 Points

Again, this is a first real attempt at a list, but I feel like it could work.

Thoughts?

On the Battlewagons: Killkannon reduces the capacity to 12 models. I'd do away with it, make it like the 1st one. Maybe do away with the Armor Plates.

On the Deffkoptas: take em out. For those 90 points you're looking at barely 1 rokkit hit per round.

On the Trukks: No riggers, these things are disposable.

On the Shootas: I'd make em Sluggas if you plan to have them in a transport, Shootas if on foot. Big Shootas > Rokkits.

On the Big Mek: No grot oiler.

On the Nob Bikers With the points you took out from the rest, you can buff them up. No grot orderly, no combi-rokkit. If my numbers are right, you'll have around 190 Pts to play with... That's 3 more Nob Bikers, a PK and a Waaagh banner. Or something, I'm not sure. More killy.

Prophet of Dakka wrote:On the Battlewagons: Killkannon reduces the capacity to 12 models. I'd do away with it, make it like the 1st one. Maybe do away with the Armor Plates.

I have a 12 Ork unit specially put together to ride in the truck. Are you saying I should bump the lootas/burnas to 15 plus the mek as well? The 60 points would trade out pretty evenly on that.

Prophet of Dakka wrote:On the Deffkoptas: take em out. For those 90 points you're looking at barely 1 rokkit hit per round.

I am leaning toward removing these and adding another biker Nob or some buggies.

Prophet of Dakka wrote:On the Trukks: No riggers, these things are disposable.

Prophet of Dakka wrote:On the Shootas: I'd make em Sluggas if you plan to have them in a transport, Shootas if on foot. Big Shootas > Rokkits.

I have gone back and forth on shootas vs sluggas. What I find is that the Trukk boys are going to get stuck in a lot faster, so the extra shots aren't likely to matter much. With the wagons, I was thinking shootas, but I will likely try both, since now they cost the same points. For Big Shootas over Rokkits, I am nervous about armor. The PKs will help, but they can only charge so many things. Do you see me having enough anti-armor without them?

Prophet of Dakka wrote:[b]On the Big Mek: No grot oiler.

Fair enough, points are points.

Prophet of Dakka wrote:[b]On the Nob Bikers With the points you took out from the rest, you can buff them up. No grot orderly, no combi-rokkit. If my numbers are right, you'll have around 190 Pts to play with... That's 3 more Nob Bikers, a PK and a Waaagh banner. Or something, I'm not sure. More killy.

While I will likely give this idea a run to see how I like it, I don't know that I want a really big Nob biker mob. I know that they are insanely good, but I feel like they are becoming the new Ork cheese. 190 points are also another Trukk full of Boyz or a big unit of foot sloggers, so your point saving advice is well received, but I am not sure what to spend it on, atm.

Thanks for the input.

Anyone else?

Ok, per the advice here, and some tweaking of my own, I have the following revised list:

HQ:

Warboss - 140 pt. (Soon to be represented by this model. *drool*)
-Bosspole
-PK
-Warbike
-Cybork Body

Big Mek - 90 pts.
-KFF
-Grot Oiler
-Bosspole

Elites:

15 Burna Boyz - 225 pt.

I am now considering Tankbustas, Lootas, and Burnas, since they are all the same points cost. Rides with the Mek in the second BW.

Troops:

6 Biker Nobz (including Painboy) - 390 pt.
-2 PK
-1 Big Choppa
-1 Bosspole
-Cybork Body
-Painboy

BikerNob++

20 Boyz (Including Nob) - 170 pts.
-Slugga + Choppa
-2 Big Shootas
-Nob
-Bosspole
-PK

Ride in the first Wagon. Still have some Theoryhammer before I decide on Shootas or sluggas, and RLs or BSes.

12 Boyz (Including Nob) - 147 Pts.
-Slugga and Choppa
-Nob
-PK
-Bosspole
-Trukk


12 Boyz (Including Nob) - 147 Pts.
-Slugga and Choppa
-Nob
-PK
-Bosspole
-Trukk

Riggers Dropped


Fast Attack:

3 Warbuggies - 105 Pts.
-Twin Linked Rokkit Launchas

3 Warbuggies - 105 Pts.
-Twin Linked Rokkit Launchas

Added 3 more of these in lieu of the Deffkoptas and with some spare points from dropping upgrades.

Heavy Support:

Battlewagon - 115 Pts.
-1 Big Shoota
-Deff Rolla

Battlewagon - 115 Pts.
-1 Big Shoota
-Deff Rolla

Stripped these down a bit, and turned the second one into another Deffrolla Express. I'm considering dropping a Burna/Loota/Tankbusta or two and adding Red Paint and Armor Plates to these.

Total: 1749 Points

Still in the gluing/converting phase, so the list can change quite a bit if anyone has any bright ideas. I'm open to suggestion!