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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/19 02:36:20
Subject: What stops conscripts from taking chem-inhalers?
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Uhlan
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So, looking at the viability of conscripts and I was re-reading the Chem-inhaler rule. Pg 57 IG codex
"Chem-inhalers: Some undisciplined units have altered the gasses in their rebreathers to include narcorits such as 'slaught and Kalma. The effect is to make them even more indifferent danger and loss. They will always test Morale, Leadership or Pinning with no negative modifiers. If they fail a Morale check for 25% casualties, they will be pinned rather than falling back. Costs +XX points per unit
May not be combined with Iron Discipline or Die-Hards."
This the equipment it self. I've combed over the other rules for Regimental Doctrines, and I found nothing else to counter the thought that conscripts can and must get chem-inhalers if the army has them. However, I've never seen it done, and I know shoring up there leadership issues is a priority for those looking to feild them.
So, my question is based on the premise that conscripts are not excluded from pruchasing Chem-inhalers by the above quote. I'm asking for one of the following.
1) prove the premise is wrong
2) find another place that denies conscripts this equipment
3) agree that conscripts can infact take chem-inhalers.
Thanks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/19 02:52:39
Subject: Re:What stops conscripts from taking chem-inhalers?
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Sword-Bearing Inquisitorial Crusader
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Well while I think a quote isn't the best place to take your information from I do have a point that may help you out.
On page 55 of the imperial guard codex it has an entry called "GUARD INFANTRY"
Meaning that any entry with guard infantry rule (i.e. line hw and command squads and so on can ONLY take them.) There are two entries under the additional equipment section without the guard infantry rule in their description which leads me to believe that conscripts can then take those doctrines. Those doctrines are chem inhalers and warrior weapons.
Also according to the offical errata on IG chem inhalers are not changed at all so I think you are good to go. Could be wrong but I think you are in the clear
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/19 02:53:29
Subject: What stops conscripts from taking chem-inhalers?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Based on a a literal reading of Special Equipment and Guard Infantry, there doesn't appear to be anything stopping you from taking Chem-Inhaler Conscripts.
Unlike Cameoline / Carapace / Cyber-Enhancement (or most Skills & Drills), the Chem-Inhaler (along with Warrior Weapons) doesn't have a "Guard Infantry" limitation.
Go for it.
Just be aware that you've got a whopping 3+ months to take advantage of Chem-Inhaler Conscripts.
Once the new Codex comes out, I'd be surprised if Conscripts had access to Chime inhalers. But who knows - maybe it'll stay after all...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/19 04:15:11
Subject: What stops conscripts from taking chem-inhalers?
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Lieutenant General
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This is from the pre-fifth edition FAQ which can still be found on the GW-Australia website:
Q. Is there any restriction on who can be given chem-inhalers?
A. Assume the normal Guard Infantry restriction applies.
http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/40k/chapter_approved/assets/qa/imperialguardqav4.pdf
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/19 04:56:26
Subject: What stops conscripts from taking chem-inhalers?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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@Ghaz: Heh, too bad that ain't what the Codex actually says...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/19 15:46:02
Subject: What stops conscripts from taking chem-inhalers?
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Furious Fire Dragon
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Isn't this superceded by the publishing of 5th edition? Otherwise, that leaves a lot of issues with other out of date FAQs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/19 16:11:00
Subject: What stops conscripts from taking chem-inhalers?
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Lieutenant General
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Except the 5th edition FAQ says nothing on the matter. Also I didn't say that it did take precedence, just that a ruling had existed at one time, therefore they have all of the facts to decide how they want to play it.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/19 16:24:30
Subject: What stops conscripts from taking chem-inhalers?
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Uhlan
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What would you expect at a tournament? RAI inhalers on only GUARD INFANTRY, or RAW which is everything must take them, Ogryn, ratlings and conscripts.
Or rather is there a situation where you would call you opponent out regarding this issue?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/19 22:29:31
Subject: What stops conscripts from taking chem-inhalers?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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@Ghaz: If the 5E FAQ is silent, then RAW applies. Which means YES to Chem-Inhaler Conscripts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/20 00:42:00
Subject: What stops conscripts from taking chem-inhalers?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/20 02:55:11
Subject: What stops conscripts from taking chem-inhalers?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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JohnHwangDD wrote:@Ghaz: If the 5E FAQ is silent, then RAW applies. Which means YES to Chem-Inhaler Conscripts.
It also means that you have to give Chem-Inhalers to all of your units, including vehicles (that get no benefit from it).
I think it is safe to assume this an oversight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/20 04:58:02
Subject: What stops conscripts from taking chem-inhalers?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Exactly.
Which is why Doctrines need to go away in favor of discrete Platoon options.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/20 13:11:31
Subject: What stops conscripts from taking chem-inhalers?
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Dispassionate Imperial Judge
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JohnHwangDD wrote:Exactly.
Which is why Doctrines need to go away in favor of discrete Platoon options.
Um, no it's not. It just means that the Doctrine rules needed to be written a bit better.
Of course, as far as we know Doctrines ARE going away, but this has nothing to do with the OP...
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