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Well, suppose a unit with a flamer is transported in a Rhino.
Two weapons can be fired from inside the Rhino, by definition.
But can a flamer be used from inside, because it will hit a friendly model, the Rhino.

It is an issue with the rules. RAW the answer is generally no you cannot however most people recognize this as being silly so you may want to consider ignoring the RAW in this particular case.

We address it in the INAT FAQ if you're using that (we allow it to be used and not hit the transport).

yakface wrote:
We address it in the INAT FAQ if you're using that (we allow it to be used and not hit the transport).

Thanks! That's great.

Aren't ranges for shooting attacks from inside the vehicle measured from the hull anyway? In which case you would place the template next to the hull to determine range (and in this case, who it hits), so it doesn't actually hit a friendly model.

Actually, in this case, you'd measure from the fire point (pg 66). I can see the marine popping out the top of the hatch and firing a flamer to the side.

top hatches open wider that then rhino : ) If you make it so they can open

frgsinwntr wrote:top hatches open wider that then rhino : ) If you make it so they can open

But the point that the model is firing from isn't where the hatches extend to, it's the opening in the vehicle, as per the rulebook.

fire point is top hatch... doors are part of the top hatch correct?

Are you trying to say the doors arn't part of the hatch?

Just throwing out an argument you can use if you come upon this.

On a LR wouldn't you be able to shoot from the side doors? Or am I making a mistake in thinking that the LR can fire with the unit it is transporting?

Alzger wrote:On a LR wouldn't you be able to shoot from the side doors? Or am I making a mistake in thinking that the LR can fire with the unit it is transporting?

Land Raiders of any type don't have Fire Points.

Thanks. I was just thinking of really cool conversions I could do and then thought about the fact that I've never used them like that and that there's probably a good reason.

fire point is top hatch... doors are part of the top hatch correct?

No, I don't think so. Fire point is the top hatch, nothing else.

The hatch and the doors that cover said hatch are two different things. You cannot fire from the doors, as they are not a listed firepoint.

ACTUALLY

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hatch

By definition the covering for the opening is also the hatch.

frgsinwntr wrote:ACTUALLY

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hatch

By definition the covering for the opening is also the hatch.

We're not talking english definition here. We're talking game rules definition.

In the INAT FAQ the template mearsues from the sides of the hull correct? Does anyone have objections to this? It gives you maybe an extra inch to work with the flamer

Typeline wrote:

We're not talking english definition here. We're talking game rules definition.

In the INAT FAQ the template mearsues from the sides of the hull correct? Does anyone have objections to this? It gives you maybe an extra inch to work with the flamer

Nope weapons fired by passenger are measured from the fire point. We just have an exception saying that template weapons fired by passengers do not hit the vehicle they're being fired from.