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I ask this question because i am currently considering picking up 2 BFSP to start a gobbo army because my VC army is considered cheesy by everyone at my gc (cant realy blame them, i have never lost a battle with them and i have played around 20 or 30 games).
i want a softer army that can still win if i am a good general but is beatable, the only condition is that it must be all gobos and no orcs.

Do people think that it is wise to make a gobbo army or are they all doomed to be a dismal failure of an army, what i mean by that is can they win or are they one of the armies that just cannot win?

If there are gobbo players out there some help with tactics and army composition would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance


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Gobbo armies can be very effective...
Get yourself a couple of hills and pack them full of artillery (the max you can field)..
Then a lvl 4 wizzy, 3 lvl 2 wizzies for characters..
3-5 units of archers (just to stand and shoot..)
and then bunches of gobbos..
Every unit should have maxxed out fanatics and nets if you have the points..
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Here are some decent sites for beginners.

http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/fantasy-completed-tacticas/150685-night-goblin-tactica.html

http://ca.games-workshop.com/news/cn/events/GT-2002-CN/coverage/Vancouver/WFB/Dave_Muzia/interview.htm

An army from the last edition so points values are a bit off, but the tennants hold.
http://www.da-warpath.com/articles/waaagh-bishnak/index.htm

One of the best gobbo armies I've seen and winner of a GT to boot.
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Orc__Goblin_Warpath/index.php?showtopic=18081

And to round it off from page 2 of this very forum....
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/223145.page#459042

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one caution for all gobbo army remember they fear elves so when playing WE, HE, or DE keep that in mind because it could be very bad for you.

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i want a softer army that can still win if i am a good general

Well, Goblins are so poor and overpriced right now that I'm not sure all it takes is being a good general to get wins with them against competitive forces. You need to be lucky with a lot of leadership tests and your opponents have to make alot of mistakes along the way. Of course, if you play tooled out Goblins and for example start your army by taking 8 Spear Chukkas, you'll beat a lot of people who don't know what they are doing and/or play poor army lists. However the moment your decked out Goblins play against decked out VC or Daemons it's game over unless the guy on the other side of the table is totally clueless.

Goblins really have nothing going for them. Everything they do, other armies do better. That's just the way it is.

Gobbo armies can be very effective... ...Have fun.. ...

No they can't. Even the most idiotic lists with a gazillion Fanatics have massive weaknessess that are easily exploitable. In addition those types of Goblin lists are absolutely no fun to play and in no way reflect being a 'good general' even when they do 'work', and that's what the original poster is trying to go for.

What I'm trying to say here, is that if you want to prove you're a great general you shouldn't pick an army that is insanely prone to bad rolls and other randomness. A good general wants troops that do what they are told, but just avoids using crutch units that people see as overpowered. For example, play your own VC, but don't use: Drakenhof Banner, Helm of Commandment, Book of Arkhan, Black Periapt, Skull Staff, Red Fury, Talisman of Lycni, Flayed Hauberk, Dreadlance, more than 6 power dice, more than 1 Dispel Scroll, Power Stones, Ghoulkin, Black Knights, Varghulfs, Wraiths, more than two of the same special or core, more than one of the same rare, units that cost more than 375 points, flying mounts. Yep, the list is long because the book is made of cheese, but if you ignore everything on that list you'll have an army that definately takes some skill to win with if your opponents know what they are doing. You can ease up on as many restrictions as you like if you think the army is simply too poor. On a scene filled with competitive armies you only need to use those force organisation restrictions and not use Drakenhof Banner/Skull Staff and people will already perceive your victories a lot more 'earned' as previously. The same approach could easily be applied to Daemons or Dark Elves. My point is that you don't need to start playing unbelievably unenjoyable crap like Goblins just to show you know what you're doing. If you've won 30 in a row with your VC and people claim it's simply because VC are overpowered, ask them to draft a list of everything that's overpowered (it won't be any worse than the list I wrote above), and start playing without all or some of the things on the list. It's not rocket science.

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is it overall better to take orc boys instead of NG? should i treat NG regiments as just fun units?

thanks :"D

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waaagh_gonads: thanks, this has been most helpfull.

canaan: it looks fairly good but i preach hate against shooty armies (i am a close combat guy) so a shooty army is a little out of the question unfortunatly, thanks for the idea though

therion: i totaly agree that the gobbos are totaly over priced and may not be that effective, but power level at my gc is rather low at the moment, i dont think that i am even that great at warhammer, i want the gobbo list to test if i can actualy win if i dont have much power. i it has got so bad that no one will go near my vc because they fear what happens, i tried to lower the power level but i still win.

Lunerhound: i might just add an opionion, night gobbos are probly more of a fun unit, they will do little dammage on their own but it is very funny to see an opponents face when 3 fanatics run through them


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I'm using them for tournaments this year here in Brisbane just to relax.
I know it will be an uphill battle so I don't have the worry of trying to win.

I want warhammer tourneys to be fun again, something they haven't been fo a couple of years.

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