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Just started a small Chaos side army, about up to 1500pts worth and I want to know if the Chaos lords are worth getting ? The Sorcerers are great as well as the DPs, no question there. But I was wondering if anyone has any good builds for a Chaos lord that would not be better filled by a Sorc or DP with out becoming a point sink ?

They're not really bad for the points, but the other 2 HQ choices are just that much better.

They can take daemon weapons, and they can be pretty cheap.

I field both a Lord & a Sorcerer,however that's in a 2000pt army,if I have to choose between the 2 I go with the sorcerer simply because I have him tooled up to fit in with my Death Guard (MON,wind of chaos etc) and he's just evil.
I stay away from DP's,not because they aren't great choices (because they are) but simply because EVERY chaos army I see runs a DP and I just wanted somthing diffrent.
However to get more to the point of the OP question,with the exception of being able to take Daemon wepons and being characterful,in a 1500 point army you'd probably do better with DP or a sorcerer.

Well, functionally they are a bit too expensive in points for what they do and get instakilled pretty easily these days. The other 2 choices have an edge in either spells or durability and killyness.

Well i know a slaanesh Lord on a bike with slaanesh demon weapon, is a very good HQ killer, around 150 points, can be good.

Termie Lord with khorne demon weapon, termies and deap strike.

A cheap protection for a squad in apoc?

Make your termies look scary?

if you give the lords daemon weapons, they are worth it. a khorne lord on juggernaut with Bloodfeeder can kill alot of stuff.

extrenm(54) wrote:if you give the lords daemon weapons, they are worth it. a khorne lord on juggernaut with Bloodfeeder can kill alot of stuff.

And they look real badass too, if you use the WHFB model

I still think the Juggernaut should give him more, like making him actually count as Cavalry or Beast. Beast would make more sense, 12" charge is it? Certainly sounds Khornate.

The random element of the demon weapon sucks though. They aren't bad, can be awesome, but the demon prince and sorceror are more consistantly reliable and all around useful.

I agree with the Khorn lord on juggernaut with daemon daemon. I recently saw it in action at an Apoc event. Pretty awsome from what I saw.

chaos lords are not the worst but deamon princes are far better and sorcerers get the powersword for 5 points less.

I like a Lord with MoN, bike, plague bringer and an icon. He is T6/(5), can turbo boost and the plaguebringer is just sick. His only two weaknesses are insta death and rolling a 1 to use the daemon weapon. He can easily beat down a full squad of tactical Marines in one or two turns of close combat.

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ArmoredReaper wrote:chaos lords are not the worst but deamon princes are far better and sorcerers get the powersword for 5 points less.

He comes with a Force Weapon for free. He can't even take a Power Weapon.

Owmyeye wrote:Just started a small Chaos side army, about up to 1500pts worth and I want to know if the Chaos lords are worth getting ? The Sorcerers are great as well as the DPs, no question there. But I was wondering if anyone has any good builds for a Chaos lord that would not be better filled by a Sorc or DP with out becoming a point sink ?

The problem with Chaos Lords used this way is they usually end up costing as much or a lot more than a Demon Prince, yet lacking the defense power and mobility (because the general requirement of a big bodyguard. Try fitting 8 bikers behind a rhino or shed.

You get one super unit which is, quite effective. But it has a huge shoot-me-I'm-all-his-points sign over it, and chaos bikers are not orc bikers.

Chaos bikers have 1 wound each. Chaos bikers have 1 attack each.
Nob biker squad 2 wounds each. Nob bikers have a base 4 attacks, 3 attacks with a powerfist. Nob bikers also get Feel No Pain which means they're twice as hard to wound again.


Basically, a chaos lord bike squad is like an extremely gimped, sucky version of a nob bike squad.
A smart opponent will treat it as such, and fire all of his guns to smear it off the map.
Goodbye like 500 points of chaos without having done any damage.

I'd much rather buy 3 Slaanesh DPs with wings and 3 lash of submissions, which would only run 465 points.
Or if you like melee, 3 Nurgle DPs with wings and warptime for a little over 500.

The point is, for a chaos lord to have any value, you're generally putting all your eggs into one basket. That'd work if that basket was nob bikers, but chaos fast attack is a very expensive and fragile bodyguard.

If a khorne lord with some bikers drives out, all his bodyguards get blown away, but he survives and kills one unit, then dies. Did he earn his points back? Maybe. Did he earn those bikers points back? No.

A 7-man Biker unit with +1 toughness, 1 powerfist, and 2 meltaguns costs 341 points.
3 Obliterators costs 225 points.

If there's a lord in that biker unit. Then your opponent knows as soon as he blows that squad off the table, he gets a free 200 point lord killed with 1 lascannon shot or 1 tactical marine's powerfist.

a force weapon is pretty much a power weapon with bonus effects. the chaos sorcerer cost 100(with force weapon) so if your paying 90 for chaos lord then purchasing power sword its 105, so your saving 5 points (w0w i know) the nugle chaos lord with manreaper is pretty cool too.

ArmoredReaper wrote:a force weapon is pretty much a power weapon with bonus effects. the chaos sorcerer cost 100(with force weapon) so if your paying 90 for chaos lord then purchasing power sword its 105, so your saving 5 points

Ah, I see what you're saying.

Maybe the Juggernaut could do more to make the rider T5 Base. Dude, you're riding a huge daemonic beast-machine, you're going to be hard to kill.

"I'm not goin' fast, but at least I'm gettin' there."

Thanks for the feedback, looks like I may still roll a dp or sorc for now, as much as a Daemon weapon looks good at 1500 or 1k he soaks up too many points imo, a sorc with chaos wind and MoN would better fit my team o' nurgle. Yacking up a flamer template and 5T in a squad of PB's should be fun.

TheBloodGod wrote:I'd much rather buy 3 Slaanesh DPs with wings and 3 lash of submissions, which would only run 465 points.
Or if you like melee, 3 Nurgle DPs with wings and warptime for a little over 500.

I agree that DPs are the best general HQ choice.

However, you can only take 2 in an army. Three DPs is only possible in a Daemon army....

Yeah BloodGod and no one was advocating the use of Chaos bikers.

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How do you get the most potential of a Lord on foot?

you could give him a daemonic steed, i like the nurgle one, then keep him in a squad with csm or something. just becarfull of hidden powerfist and use cover well do deliver him. not advised still.

At 1500 point Daemon princes hold up pretty well. They get swatted as you go up in point value.

I personally think sorcerers with lash are the best HQ choice just because they are easier to keep alive.

That said, a lord can completely be useful, and are good for their points. They also help you on comp. Running 2 lashes will immediately get you dinged on comp.

Finally, Landraiders work really well in the chaos list, and they synergize well as a lord launch pad.

Maybe I just have bad luck, but I find that my sorc is getting killed much more often than my lord, and they both have terminator armor. Never played with a DP, because it isn't worth the potential of gluing my eyes shut with that stupid super-glue. Lords are useful if you completely pimp them out and have them join chosen or terminators, maybe possessed if you want a CC army.

Gonna run a lord (since a have a great model for it) MoN, Termi armor with nurgle daemon weapon for a good price of 165pts i believe. Sound good for a 1500pt nurgle themed csm army?

for a nurgle themed army at that points just take Typhus, 10x better than a lord and for only a few extra points

that being said a chaos lord isn't exactly useless their are certain builds that can be effective (the Kamikaze Blood Feeder Jump Pack Lord, or MoN with Manreaper)

the only issue is, is simply that the other choices are much better, for 5 pts more (if i am taking a Lord, with MoN and Manreaper) i can have a Lash Prince, which one will be better over the course of the game?

99MDeery wrote:for a nurgle themed army at that points just take Typhus, 10x better than a lord and for only a few extra points

that being said a chaos lord isn't exactly useless their are certain builds that can be effective (the Kamikaze Blood Feeder Jump Pack Lord, or MoN with Manreaper)

the only issue is, is simply that the other choices are much better, for 5 pts more (if i am taking a Lord, with MoN and Manreaper) i can have a Lash Prince, which one will be better over the course of the game?

I have to agree that for a Nurgle themed army Typhus is a great choice,a bit pricey points wise,but well worth it as you get a monster in CC as well as the added benifit of "sorcerer" abilitys ie: wind of chaos.

i was thinking of fielding a daemon prince for my army i find that although 2d6 plus 4 power attacks in close combat is awesome, my khorne lord is only strength 4 so im going to have problems blowing sh*t up

Khorne Lord on jugger with lightning claws is 6 attacks, 7 on the charge, S5 re-roll wounds power weapon. For like 160 points.

Nurgle with daemon weapon is nice too. On a bike they're T4(6) so watch out for powerfists, but against anything else, even other power weapons, they'll be really tough to kill. And since the attacks are poisoned, you'll re-roll wounds on anything T4 and below! That's very handy.

Yeah the new and improved manreaper is a SM killer. I like that rot,

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Chaos Lords can be a fairly good, choice, especially with demon steed thing [eg. palaquin of nurgle, etc]

For assault then a khorne lord with demonic steed and deamon weapon with MoK, is 10 kinds of awsome and can deal out twice as much damage as the others.

For support a Tzeench Lord with demonic steed and demon weapon plus two other powers means that he is fast and still shooty/psychic and still ok in assault

Etc, for the others and their role, i especially love nurlge lord, rot, manreaper and palaqiun.

For something alittle most on the cheap, jump pack, 2 light claws and MoK or MoN and hes fast, real killy and 5 kinds of awsome