Vulkan & MotF Dread 1500

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**Razerous**

Hq:
Vulkan - 190
Master of the Forge
+Conversion beamer - 120

Troops:
10man tactical squad
+flamer
+mm
+drop pod - 205

5man scout squad
+4x sniper rifles
+h.bolter - 85

Elites:
3X Dredenough
+h.flamer
+drop pod = 450

Heavy support:
3x dredenough
+h.flamer
+drop pod = 450

7 drop pods = 4 first turn pods. TL h.flamers & Multi meltas. Hardly any troops (= bad, I know) Can be scaled up to 1750/1850 more realistically.

I posted a similar list w/o vulkan but with mostly ironclads instead. Im not sure but besides the 5-less scouts, I think this list is killyer

What do yee think - im now torn.

Conversion beamer OR 2 h.flamers = 5 cloaks & 5pts spare. Coupled with Bolster the defences = a 2+ cover save for the scouts (i think) which makes them very survivable. A scout squad with a conversion beamering MotF is also a nice (albeit no infiltrating/scoutness) thought.

**Razerous**

No opinions people? Go on.. slate it.. say somthing

**Prophet of Dakka**

Eh, it's fine, but I don't think Vulkan is worth it. You'd do just as fine by taking those points and investing them in something that can hold the middle ground.

**Shrike78**

You need another troop choice.. or you need to expand the scout squad to 10 guys

**Black Blow Fly**

I am interested to hear why you prefer to take Vulkan.

G

**Razerous**

Vulkan makes those drop-podding dreads hit hard on the first turn, where ever it be infantry or tanks.

Hes worth a 10man tac squad. I could also shave off 60pts for the flamers (But well worth it, esp with vulkan)

Besides from that, with a 6 dred army, with 7 drop pods (to allow 4 in the drop pod assault) there isnt much left in 1500pts.

Hes also quite choppy, 2+/3++, I5, 3A etc..

& I can maaybe stretch the fluff to say somthing along the lines of these dreds are his treasure hunting team.

**Hordicant**

@ 1500 points I would drop a couple dreads, and toss in some more foot based power. JMO

**Prophet of Dakka**

Without Vulkan, for example:

HQ:
Master of the Forge: Conversion Beamer @ 120 Pts

Troops:
2x10 Tactical Squad: Flamer; MM; Melta Bombs; Rhino @ 420 Pts
5 Scout Squad: Sniper Rifle x4; HB; Camo Cloaks; Telion @ 150 Pts

Elite:
3X Dreadnought: Heavy Flamer; Drop Pod @ 450 Pts

Heavy:
2X Ironclad Dreadnought: Heavy Flamer; Drop Pod @ 360 Pts

Grab the midfield with your tacs, use Telion to pick off the threats to your dreads, like PFs, Meltas, etc.

**Razerous**

Hq:
Vulkan - 190

Troops:
10man tactical squad
+Multimelta
+Flamer
+combi-flamer
+drop pod = 215

10man tactical squad
+Multimelta
+Flamer
+combi-flamer
+drop pod = 215

5man scout squad
+4x sniper rifles =85
+missile launcher

Elites:
Dredenough
+Multimelta
+H.flamer
+Drop pod
+Extra armor = 165

Dredenought
+Multimelta
+H.flamer
+Drop pod
+Extra armor = 165

Assault terminator squad
= 200

Heavy support:
Land Raider (I did have the redeemer but it doesnt get a buff from vulkan & those lascannons give me some real ranged AT)
+Extra armor
+multimelta = 265
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Total =1500

Right, as per advice ive added some more troops (not many but a significant amount) & added a bit more versitily & ive tried to make more use of vulkan as a force multipler (thanks gbf) to make this list a lil deadlier. Ive spent less on drop pods, less on HQ's which were dead points in a way.

**Razerous**

Bump ^^ Edit:

**Prophet of Dakka**

How about replacing all your troops for scouts? You could take 2 squads of 10. I just don't see those 10 tacs doing anything else but dying :S

**Razerous**

Two squads of 10 that can deploy in relation to the field, usually in the second wave assualt (unless I wanted more templates early on) so they wont get charged if I can help it. Vulkan TL's the MM & the two flamers (granted ones one-use)

Does a template-firing model ignore hits on its own unit?

Telion is a good call & effective @ what he does but would be better with more scouts & the MotF bolster defence. 2+ cover save cant be sniffed at. As it standards if I used scouts, id get less effect from Vulkan. Plus I need those drop pods to allow for 2 to drop 1st turn & to give the marines mobility & delayed surviveability.

I got more troops like you suggested tho so thanks!

**Prophet of Dakka**

Lol, I was still looking at the original post.

Anyway, that second list... I think Vulkan is worth even less here. A Chap and no extra armour and scouts would give you 220 Pts to work with, which you could use to get a pair of Predators for range and get the LRC, which is better at the assault job.

Like so:

1 Chaplain @ 100 Pts
Bolt Pistol; Crozius Arcanum

6 Terminator Assault Squad @ 500 Pts
Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield (x6); Land Raider
1 Land Raider Crusader @ [260] Pts
Multi-Melta

1 Dreadnought @ 150 Pts
Dreadnought CCW; Multi-Melta; Heavy Flamer: Drop Pod
1 Drop Pod @ [35] Pts

1 Dreadnought @ 150 Pts
Dreadnought CCW; Multi-Melta; Heavy Flamer; Drop Pod
1 Drop Pod @ [35] Pts

10 Tactical Squad @ 215 Pts
Flamer; Multi Melta; Combi-Flamer; Drop Pod
1 Drop Pod @ [35] Pts

10 Tactical Squad @ 215 Pts
Flamer; Multi Melta; Combi-Flamer; Drop Pod
1 Drop Pod @ [35] Pts

1 Predator @ 85 Pts
Autocannon; Heavy Bolter Sponsors

1 Predator @ 85 Pts
Autocannon; Heavy Bolter Sponsors

**Razerous**

Chaplin costs 90 points less, is a tad fail in CC due to I4 & lack of any decent saves. 2+/3++ > 3+/4++ any day.

The chappy MC's all the termies attacks. He makes them fearless.

Vulkan MC's all thier thunder-hammers (same thing) and for 90pts more gets better save, better stat line (crucially where it counts) & TL's 11 different weapons (2 are combi but yeah) & as it stands my lastest list has more troops than yours methinks.. although in higher points id upgrade to another tacticle (which may go for combi melta/melta/multimelta for a bit more ap 1/AT weaponary)..Telion is good but tacticals & vulkans I think are more effective.