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Let me just start off by saying I love these forums to bits. The Battle reps// tactics discussions //Painting and modelling that just blows me away... its an easy place to spend 4 hours let me tell you.
I love almost everything about this hobby but have ZERO practical experience playing games and modelling.
I really want to play this game(40K), not only that I want my space marines to look good AND not to cost me an arm and a leg.

So my main goal is to get everything I need to begin modelling/painting my AoBR marines. I'm very organised and would like to have everything ready before I start painting and have everything painted before I start playing.
So can you guys help me fill in the blanks?

Models: AoBR.
Undercoats: Black primer paint. Is brand important? Can a cheap can of car spray paint do the trick?
Paints: ??????
Brushes: ??????
Tools: ??????
Basing: ??????

I also have some general questions about painting collecting
*Is the starter kit that GW offers any good?
*I'm keen to try and paint my marines like my avatar, can anyone reccomend a way to do it?
*Is painting hard to pick up? Will the first 30 marines I paint look like crap?
*Is there a tried and tested way of painting space marines that is idiot proof and has a clear tutorial?
*Should I just go down to a GW shop and corner an employee and make them tell me theirs sercrets?


Thanks for any help, I hope once I have everything I need together that I can post some pics of my first marines so you can all laugh


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WOW you've done this before haven't you?

Thank you very much sir!

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Holy~Heretic wrote:Models: AoBR.


Great start for a Marine army. If you're looking for cheap additions the best place is ebay by far, especially for Marines. You can usually pick up someone else's start-out marine force pretty cheap.

Holy~Heretic wrote:Undercoats: Black primer paint. Is brand important? Can a cheap can of car spray paint do the trick?


Car paint is usually glossy, and you want a matt paint. The point of a primer is to seal the model and to give you a good base on which to put your own colors, so car paint really isn't the best idea. The citadel primers are pretty good. If you're looking at doing a single color Marine army, and you want to get an even finish, you might look at using graphics spray acrylic in the chapter color, and then use washes to give definition. I used Burntlack graphics spray on my Tau (see my signature for the link) and the crisis suits came out very clean and bright. If you want to do a dark-colored army, you may be able to choose (for example) a dark green graphics spray and skip the primer stage altogether. You can get graphics spray paints from most art shops - they're a bit more expensive than the Citadel primer sprays, but they are available in a large range of colors and can save you a lot of time.

Holy~Heretic wrote:Paints: ??????


Citadel paints are generally quite good, though there are other brands of Acrylic hobby paints available. Again, check a local arts store. I generally stick with citadel, though.

Holy~Heretic wrote:Brushes: ??????


On the other hand, Citadel brushes are not the best value in the world. You can usually get better brushes for less money from a fine arts/painting store. For general detail painting, you're looking for a size 00 or 0, going up to a size 1 for larger areas.

Holy~Heretic wrote:Tools: ??????


At the start, for stuff like AOBR and plastic kits, you only really need a hobby knife, to clean up tags and mould lines. Again, visit the arts store and you can pick up really cheap scalpels which do the job really nicely. You also might want to invest in a pair of side-cutters (snips) for getting models off the sprues, whicb can be found in any hardware/auto store. Unless you're planning on conversions, you don't need any more tools.

Holy~Heretic wrote:Basing: ??????


Depends what you want to do. If you want to texture each base, then paint and highlight it like you would the model, you need fine sand, which you can get from GW or a building supplier. On the other hand, a much simpler solution is to use static grass or colored flock. These are available from GW or model train stores (like everything, it's cheaper if you get it somewhere other than GW!!)

Holy~Heretic wrote:I also have some general questions about painting collecting
*Is the starter kit that GW offers any good?
*I'm keen to try and paint my marines like my avatar, can anyone reccomend a way to do it?
*Is painting hard to pick up? Will the first 30 marines I paint look like crap?
*Is there a tried and tested way of painting space marines that is idiot proof and has a clear tutorial?
*Should I just go down to a GW shop and corner an employee and make them tell me theirs sercrets?


* The painting starter kit? Yes, it's probably a good buy to get you started. Once you decide on a color scheme you can augment it with paints you really need, unless you're planning on a really simple scheme, in which case you can just buy individual pots. You're gonna need Black, White, some sort of Silver, Green, Red and Flesh to do pretty much anything, plus the colors for your chapter scheme.

* I'm not a great painter, but if you're just starting out, I would recommend the following simple steps (this is what I would do) - Prime the models White. Spray the models with a Burgundy graphics spray - give the models multiple coats of Black Wash and then maybe one of Brown Wash (Devlan Mud) to give definition to the red - Highlight the red - Paint any details/trim black - Paint the trim silver - Paint the details (if you want a certain detail to be bright green (for example) you might paint it black, then white, then the white bits green. This gives the green a black 'outline' separating it from the red armour)

* Yes, the first models you paint will look like crap. But just take your time. At first, don't paint 30 marines. Do all the spray/wash stages to, say, 5 marines (there's not much can go wrong in this stage) and then do the details on each marine individually, and take your time. Remember to use the smallest detail brush you feel comfortable with, and don't use too much or too thick paint, and you'll get the hang of it!! Once you know what you're doing you can do 5 or 10 marines at once..

* There's lots of ways of painting space marines. The one I've detailed above is tried and tested, and gives good results for beginners because most of it is spraying and washing and not actual fine painting. But you could also learn to drybrush, and do your marines that way, or if you want to really jump in at the deep end you could try layering on each marine. This will take AGES though

* In my experience, going to GW and asking leads to someone trying to sell you a load of stuff you don't need. You can find all the advice you need on here!

If you want to have a look at my armies, please do. I'm not a great painter by ANY means, but I can tell you how i did my marines and my tau, which are both armies which require you to paint large, smooth armour plates.

Hope that's helpful

   
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ArbitorIan wrote:
* I'm not a great painter, but if you're just starting out, I would recommend the following simple steps (this is what I would do) - Prime the models White. Spray the models with a Burgundy graphics spray - give the models multiple coats of Black Wash and then maybe one of Brown Wash (Devlan Mud) to give definition to the red - Highlight the red - Paint any details/trim black - Paint the trim silver - Paint the details (if you want a certain detail to be bright green (for example) you might paint it black, then white, then the white bits green. This gives the green a black 'outline' separating it from the red armour)

* Yes, the first models you paint will look like crap. But just take your time. At first, don't paint 30 marines. Do all the spray/wash stages to, say, 5 marines (there's not much can go wrong in this stage) and then do the details on each marine individually, and take your time. Remember to use the smallest detail brush you feel comfortable with, and don't use too much or too thick paint, and you'll get the hang of it!! Once you know what you're doing you can do 5 or 10 marines at once..

* There's lots of ways of painting space marines. The one I've detailed above is tried and tested, and gives good results for beginners because most of it is spraying and washing and not actual fine painting. But you could also learn to drybrush, and do your marines that way, or if you want to really jump in at the deep end you could try layering on each marine. This will take AGES though

* In my experience, going to GW and asking leads to someone trying to sell you a load of stuff you don't need. You can find all the advice you need on here!

If you want to have a look at my armies, please do. I'm not a great painter by ANY means, but I can tell you how i did my marines and my tau, which are both armies which require you to paint large, smooth armour plates.

Hope that's helpful


Ian thanks very much for the indepth reply it was DEFINATLY helpfull making me decide what to buy first off. I think painting my army like my avatar will have to wait just a little while until I've got some basics down. I'll keep your method in mind for when I do tho. Whats this nonsense about you not being a good painter??
I might pop into my local GW when I get back to the UK despite this whole sales pitch thing I've been hearing about. I am a grown man and I've learnt you say no thank you so I'm not too worried about it. Might even be able to get some help with my painting skills. But you're right about this community being excellent for advice/tutorials and such.

So this is bascially what I'm going to order when I'm back from my holiday in NY unless any can see any glaring omissions.
AoBR= £40:00
AoBR Starter set :6 Paints +brush + 5 Marine guinea pigs =£15:00
GW Black primer= £10:00
5 Additional paints/washes = £10:00
Additional 00 brush = £4:00
Glue = £4:00
Stanley knife = Pretty sure I have one lying around the house
Snippers= £4:00 ?
Basing= I think I'll avoid basing right now until I cant make miniatures that are TT worthy. I did have an idea to use some old plastic grid wall paper and paint it like a stone floor

Grand total is around the £100 mark. Can anyone see anything wrong here?

Thanks again

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hey there, welcome.

You asked about a similar colour scheme to your avatar, & many years ago I played blood angels, & painted them thusly:

Spray with bloodangels red spray, which is a very bright cherry-red, probably too bright for your purposes, then wash really heavily with red ink. GW dont make inks any more, so youll need to buy one of their washes, but theres doubtless a red wash you can buy. This will darken up your red & add some detail to it. I would try this out on a couple of figures before you spray the whole lot, cos even with the ink it still might not be the right shade of red for you. If thats the case, Id suggest priming in white & then painting the armour plates in scab red instead of bloodangels read before applying your wash.

As for the grey, I cant really advise you on which shade to buy, because I always mix my own, but once youve painted the trim in your chosen grey, you can edge it with that shade of grey mixed with a little skull white. Edging required practice & a steady hand but its worth it. I believe theres a guide to it here on Dakka in the articles section.

hope that helps.

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Jack thanks for the advice mate, I guess I'll have to try a few things out before I get to the method that works for me. Your way could defo be it tho.

Pyrus and Mr Gonads thanks for the warm welcome.

and da duit to you 2 =D

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Undercoats: Black primer paint. Is brand important? Can a cheap can of car spray paint do the trick?
If you want quality, you have to pay for it, especially true in any art world.
Paints: ??????
Brushes: ??????
Tools: ??????
Basing: ??????

I like GW for paints, stay away from their brushes and tools. Get the highest quality brushes you feel comfortable spending, tools are cheap, go to www.micromark.com for a great selection and good price.

I also have some general questions about painting collecting
*Is the starter kit that GW offers any good?
For armies, yes, you save money (same with paint). Stay away from their overpriced tools.
*I'm keen to try and paint my marines like my avatar, can anyone reccomend a way to do it?Practice.
*Is painting hard to pick up? Will the first 30 marines I paint look like crap? Yes, and yes. It's an art form. You develope it as far as you want. I've been building and painting for too many years to talk about and am always learning new tricks and painting better models (just got the new FW paint book, man-talk about crazy techniques!)
*Is there a tried and tested way of painting space marines that is idiot proof and has a clear tutorial?Buy a product called army painter.
*Should I just go down to a GW shop and corner an employee and make them tell me theirs sercrets?No, they're idiots.

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Check the Articles section of Dakka for advice about all aspects of modelling and painting.

One thing about Marines is you need to work out the uniform for your chapter on paper, then do a test piece to see how it works in 3D and how easy it is to paint.

I would buy a small amount of paints and implements to get some basic practice done. If you make a hash of your first few models, you can strip the paint and start again. Painting is a craft skill and takes practice to get good at though reading tutorials is useful.

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