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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 03:23:54
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Fixture of Dakka
Feasting on the souls of unworthy opponents
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When you see your opponent fielding their army, what makes you grimace the most?
There will obviously be things that you think are more fearsome than those on this list, but its pretty representative.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 03:28:44
Subject: Re:Poll: What threatens you the most?
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i voted for one of my own units (oblits-i play chaos), mostly cause how my opponents react.
other than that, i'd say broadsides aren't really that scary, but they are a priority target of mine....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 03:36:14
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Raging Ravener
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Broad Sides and a very close second would be SM Terms.
Broadsides just are a tough thing to kill and can spell death to Vehicles of all kind. They sand to stay in the back and punch out S10 72" shots. if you try and approach them you'll get a face full of Rail gun fire from Fire Warriors or jsj crisis suits. End of story.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 03:50:51
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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Oblits, hands down. Aside from the fact that they have a better profile than termies (2 attacks, 2 wounds), they have a 5+ invulnerable save, can morph different weapons each turn, almost all of which are twin linked (that's 2 attacks with reroll to hit, people) and can deepstrike. And they just look really f***ing scary/awesome. Basically they can adapt extremely quickly to be totally devastating against any element of any army.
Personally for 'nids I think a 'Fex would have been more representative. Genestealers aren't really a 'grimance' unit. In fact, I think (Not speaking from experience, just observation) that the main advantage to genestealers is the extent to which people underestimate them, a very big mistake indeed when you're talking about a troops choice with a WS of 6 (completely unmatched when it comes to troops) that can deepstrike and that comes at a comparitavely low points cost per model.
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... because that totally makes sense.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 03:55:01
Subject: Re:Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Tough Treekin
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Oblits every time, their is nothing in that list that a unit of 3 oblits cant look at and potentially kill in a turn
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 04:03:40
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Perturbed Blood Angel Tactical Marine
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The thing is, I don't fear any of the things on that list EXCEPT for obliterators.
What about basalisks? or Dark Eldar raiders? Wyches don't scare me. Incubi scare me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 04:30:59
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Graham McNeil
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wyches are pretty good against like other cc specialized units...
but i gotta agree with mike, incubi are nasty
obliterators... just ouch
Broadsides always seem to do heavy damage to my beloved russ tanks
So personally, broadsides
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 04:49:20
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Angry Chaos Agitator
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High Commissar Biffsmack wrote: Oblits, hands down. Aside from the fact that they have a better profile than termies (2 attacks, 2 wounds), they have a 5+ invulnerable save, can morph different weapons each turn, almost all of which are twin linked (that's 2 attacks with reroll to hit, people) and can deepstrike. And they just look really f***ing scary/awesome. Basically they can adapt extremely quickly to be totally devastating against any element of any army.
"Almost all of which are twin linked"
WRONG. Lascannon, Plasma Cannon, and Multi-melta are not twin-linked. He only has twin-linked specials, instead of heavies, and the heavies get the most use.
"That's 2 attacks with reroll to hit, people"
Again just wrong. An obliterator doesn't get 2 lascannon shots per turn or 2 plasma cannon shots per turn. Also, if he somehow did, which he doesn't, they don't get rerolls to hit. Furthermore, his 2 CC attacks don't get rerolls to hit.
There's no doubting oblits are useful, but that information isn't accurate. Also, they're pretty expensive (75 points each) so three of them = 1 landraider. Fire your anti-tank weapons at oblits.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 05:23:16
Subject: Re:Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I'm personally afronted that Flamers of Tzeentch aren't on the list.  Broadsides and Oblits should be tied for second place.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 05:40:11
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Serious Squig Herder
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Anything that's 'organic' and bigger than my HQ (i.e., Carnifexes). 'Fexes make me a little nervous, despite the fact I usually bring more than enough firepower to take them down. They just look more killy than they are.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 05:50:41
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Dakka Veteran
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Storm shield terminators make my life all kinds of bad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 08:31:29
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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The Organization for the Organized. They're everywhere, and it's so hushed up we don't even know they're there. They freak me out. EDIT: This post has not been edited.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 10:46:08
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Stormin' Stompa
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I think most people say Obliterators because they see Obliterators as a package of Obliteraters/2 x Lash. Obliterators on their own....meh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 13:04:47
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I am kind of surprised by the units in that list. The following units should have definately been on there: Nob Bikers Seer Council Bloodcrushers Loota's Fateweaver Monolith Lash Sorcerer/DP Add the Obliterators and the Space Marine Terminators (of the Storm Shield type), which you already included, to that list and I think it would've been a lot more representative. As it is though, I voted Obliterators, because they are just awesome against any type of unit. They only have one weakness, which is T4 (thus ID on S8).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 14:06:05
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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TheBloodGod wrote:High Commissar Biffsmack wrote: Oblits, hands down. Aside from the fact that they have a better profile than termies (2 attacks, 2 wounds), they have a 5+ invulnerable save, can morph different weapons each turn, almost all of which are twin linked (that's 2 attacks with reroll to hit, people) and can deepstrike. And they just look really f***ing scary/awesome. Basically they can adapt extremely quickly to be totally devastating against any element of any army.
"Almost all of which are twin linked"
WRONG. Lascannon, Plasma Cannon, and Multi-melta are not twin-linked. He only has twin-linked specials, instead of heavies, and the heavies get the most use.
"That's 2 attacks with reroll to hit, people"
Again just wrong. An obliterator doesn't get 2 lascannon shots per turn or 2 plasma cannon shots per turn. Also, if he somehow did, which he doesn't, they don't get rerolls to hit. Furthermore, his 2 CC attacks don't get rerolls to hit.
There's no doubting oblits are useful, but that information isn't accurate. Also, they're pretty expensive (75 points each) so three of them = 1 landraider. Fire your anti-tank weapons at oblits.
Depends how you use them.
Stand back and use hvy weapons while slowly moving forward and switch to specials. or deep strike and open fire with specials.
up close nothing beats 3 oblits with twin linked plasma guns. they can wipe out a unit of CC terminators better than anyone. Also oblits may cost almost the same as a landraider for three but they are much easier to hide than a landraider. You can kill them easy with anti tank weapons but most likely you will not have many that will have line of site to them since they are infantry and are as easy to hide as any other infantry....also they will most likely be getting there 4+ cover saves.
From the list of options given I must agree with the majority here that oblits wins hands down for most fearfull unit from those choices.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 14:08:55
Subject: Re:Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Fixture of Dakka
Feasting on the souls of unworthy opponents
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Well, like I said - not everything could be up there, so I tried having a representative sample from every army.
The intent of the poll isn't to demonstrate which model is most fearsome to behold....its more of a "You have HOW MANY?!?"
60 Stormboyz? 90 Genestealers? And they're all outflanking? 9 Broadside suits?!?
That's more the intent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 14:27:09
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Bounding Black Templar Assault Marine
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Its a good thing you put "What is the scariest unit in 40k?" at the top of the poll, because my wife threatens me the most.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 15:24:58
Subject: Re:Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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9 Broadsides sitting in area terrain way off in the other corner are always going to be vexing. Off this list I'll take them.
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All in all, fact is that Warhammer 40K has never been as balanced as it is now, and codex releases have never been as interesting as they are now (new units and vehicles and tons of new special rules/strategies each release -- not just the same old crap with a few changes in statlines and points costs).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 16:21:07
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Broad sides never really worry me. Granted, Exorcists make short work of them, but in general even they are not particularly mobile, and are still subject to instant death. So, for me, they can either be avoided or smashed with vindicator rounds, exorcist missiles, calidus fun, or flanking troops.
Deep Striking suits armed with fusion and plasma though, those bother me. Seeing 3-5 units of those ready to just pop down and vaporize any unit needed is worrisome to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 17:35:26
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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John wrote:Its a good thing you put "What is the scariest unit in 40k?" at the top of the poll, because my wife threatens me the most.
Touche.
Storm shield terminators make me uncomfortable, to say the least.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 18:51:47
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle
Georgia,just outside Atlanta
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John wrote:Its a good thing you put "What is the scariest unit in 40k?" at the top of the poll, because my wife threatens me the most.
Indeed,I was going to say my Girlfriend..any time I drop more than $100.00 at the FLGS,she can be scarier then a Carnifex driving a baneblade that fires obliterators.
However,in gamesplay I have to say any "pie plate" wepons,as they do terrible things to my Boyz Mobz.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 19:39:35
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Dominating Dominatrix
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Whenever I see Genestealers on the table I focus all my firepower on them until there's only a puddle of goo left.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/27 19:53:04
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Impassive Inquisitorial Interrogator
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John wrote:Its a good thing you put "What is the scariest unit in 40k?" at the top of the poll, because my wife threatens me the most.
 Best post i have read today.
You win
On topic Oblits and Broadsides
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/28 01:58:51
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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"Almost all of which are twin linked"
WRONG. Lascannon, Plasma Cannon, and Multi-melta are not twin-linked. He only has twin-linked specials, instead of heavies, and the heavies get the most use.
Alright fine, not almost all, but half of them. That's still a good amount. The fact remains that they're still uber scary.
"That's 2 attacks with reroll to hit, people"
Again just wrong. An obliterator doesn't get 2 lascannon shots per turn or 2 plasma cannon shots per turn. Also, if he somehow did, which he doesn't, they don't get rerolls to hit. Furthermore, his 2 CC attacks don't get rerolls to hit.
* sigh * I was referring to the twin-linked special weapons there, I'm not a moron. I'm open to being corrected, but don't pointlessly look for opportunities to scrutinize my post.
And yes, they do get 2 lascannon or plasma cannon shots per turn.
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... because that totally makes sense.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/28 05:40:25
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Angry Chaos Agitator
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High Commissar Biffsmack wrote:"Almost all of which are twin linked"
WRONG. Lascannon, Plasma Cannon, and Multi-melta are not twin-linked. He only has twin-linked specials, instead of heavies, and the heavies get the most use.
Alright fine, not almost all, but half of them.
"That's 2 attacks with reroll to hit, people"
Again just wrong. An obliterator doesn't get 2 lascannon shots per turn or 2 plasma cannon shots per turn. Also, if he somehow did, which he doesn't, they don't get rerolls to hit. Furthermore, his 2 CC attacks don't get rerolls to hit.
* sigh * I was referring to the twin-linked special weapons there, I'm not a moron. I'm open to being corrected, but don't pointlessly look for opportunities to scrutinize my post.
And yes, they do get 2 lascannon or plasma cannon shots per turn.
No, they each get ONE lascannon shot or ONE plasma cannon shot per turn.
Obliterators use the normal weapons rules for the guns they're firing. A lascannon is Heavy 1, etc. A plasma cannon is Heavy 1. How many shots a gun fires has nothing to do with the attack stat of the Model holding the gun.
What an obliterator has is a statline A of 2. "Attacks (A) This characteristic indicates the number of dice a model rolls when fighting IN CLOSE COMBAT." - Page 6 of 40k Rulebook
Obliterators have no special rule saying they get extra shots. 1 shot max for everything except the rapid-fire plasma gun, which gets 2 shots within 12" (and can overheat)
The twin-linked weapons are specials. There's a big difference between having the ability to get rerolls for 48" lascannon or 36" plasma cannon, or only for the lil 12" meltagun.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/29 00:57:34
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Huge Hierodule
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Me, I say Tau Hammerhead Tanks. Pie plates and High str shot. Uggghhhhhhhh.
On the list, stealers. Hit on 3s (w. re-rolls), wound most stuff on 3 or 4's with rending, plus 2 attacks each, for 17 points.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/29 01:11:47
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Awesome Autarch
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Where were Nob Bikers, and Lashing Chaos units on there? And as others have said, dakka fexes and sniper fexes scare me more than any of the other units.
But come on guys, everyone knows that they scariest unit in the game are Chaos Possessed!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/29 12:58:52
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Foul Dwimmerlaik
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Playing terminator heavy armies, I fear attrition far more than any single ubernasty thing.
My vote is for the humble and underrated plebeian imperial guardsmen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/29 14:14:45
Subject: Re:Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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My biggest concern are Genestealers, Assault Terminators, and Obliterators.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/01/30 04:15:45
Subject: Poll: What threatens you the most?
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Frightening Flamer of Tzeentch
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i fear above all the 4.0 rulebook space marine command squad fully decked out. I didn't even now that one squad could have so many special rules.
On another idea monoliths also scare me, because there skimmers that break almost every skimmer rule.
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