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Sooo me and my friend just started up 40k, Im Ork and he is nid
We want to play friendly 500 point games asap so i had an army idea which is....

1 Boss Snikrot (85)
8 Kommandos (80)
+ 2 w/ Burna (50)
---------------------215

10 Boyz w/ slugga/choppa (60)
1 Nob w/ BP and Power Claw (46)
1 Boy w/ Rokkit upgrade (16)
-----------------------------------122

10 Boyz w/ slugga/choppa (60)
1 Nob w/ BP and Power Claw (46)
1 Boy w/ Rokkit upgrade (16)
-----------------------------------122

This leaves me with some point that i don't know what to do with, any help with those? and ideas to improve this list.
I already have 18 boyz with sluggaz +2 nobz w/ BP/PC + 2 Rokkitz

Also would there be a way to incorporate a SAG, such as a loota/Sag unit instead of the Kommandos?

Thanks, and sorry for my spellin/gramma

hmm looks like a good start, hopefully someone will be able to help ya out here. XD

215+122+122=459, wich only leaves you 41 points left,if your trying to keep your games at 500 points then the only unit I can think of that you may add would be a sqaud of 10 grotz with a runtheard,with out any upgrades on the Runtheard that should top you out @ 499pts.

thanks, but is that a decent friendly army?
Ive noticed that most 500 point armies either have 3 killa's or pretty much all boyz/ Warboss with PK

Of course you could always get a trukk for one of your boyz sqauds.

I like foot troops

Dfanny wrote:thanks, but is that a decent friendly army?
Ive noticed that most 500 point armies either have 3 killa's or pretty much all boyz/ Warboss with PK

Yes this is fine for friendly games,the 10 Grot sqaud could be used to hold objectives while your boyz run amok,or you could,of course use the remaining points to add more boyz to your two existing mobz.
Killa Kanz in a 500pt army eats up alot of points,120 for 3 armed with big shootaz,so it's not possible with your curent list.

Yes i understand with my current list killa klanz are not possible.

Thanks for all the help

Think theres anyway to use a SAG instead of Snikrot and kommandos?

Big Mek with SAG =95 pts,Snikrot+kommandos=215pts,wich leaves you 120pts,wich means you could run a small sqaud (5) of lootaz to bolster the big mekz fire power,and stil have 24 pts left, wich you could add 2 boyz per each mob bringing both your mobz up to 12 boyz strong.

Or instead if i removed the snikrot group and got
1 big Mek with KFF for EACH Troop
and add 3 boyz per troop

What would you suggest?

I personaly run a Big Mek wit KFF in my army because the save really helps my footsloggers get to grips with the enemy.

But would it be worth having one per troop?

Well @ 85pts a Mek you would be spending 170pts for the 2,leaving you 45pts wich as you said you could use to add 3 boyz to each mob.
However, I would go with one Mek with KFF and add an another sqaud of 10 Orkz+ Nob with PK &BP, or add a sqaud of 8 lootaz for some added firepower.

i would keep that army but if you have any shootas change one gruo[ too shootas and keep a regualr big mek the thing is that your snikrot and his kommandos will probaly assault on second turn iso i suggest going against the hardest thin on his army with your snikrot group

I'd be a little concerned investing so many points in Snikrot and Pals. Don't get me wrong, I love Snikrot and coming in on any board edge I want. However, that's 215 points of your 500 point army. That's 35 boyz you could have instead. In such a small game, there aren't likely to be too many things huddling towards the edges (unless you're playing Tau or IG).

I agree with the previous poster on Snikrot.

Snikrot is a handy tool to have around to take down Tau gunlines, hidden troops, firing bases....his strength is his ability to come on the rear board edge and dive into your enemies. Playing against Tyranid, you're not going to see that. Snikrot is going to be next to useless since he'll come on a board edge turn 2, 3, 4, 5 and have nothing to surprise, nothing to assault; but in such a small game, he's hardly affordable.

If you are limited severely on models, or if you are aiming for one super unit like that, pick Ghazghkull Thraka. He owns in any size game. Tyranids are assault-based, and there's virtually nothing in 40k that can stand up to Ghazghkull in melee combat. He has a 2+ armour save, and on the turn you Waaugh! (and the following turn) its a 2+ invulnerable save. You get 7 attacks on the charge with a power weapon and are invulnerable to instant death.

If you're not limited on models, honestly - I'd take as many boyz as you can field. The strength of Boyz is in the size of the unit you can take. 12+ models and you're fearless, and you can have a hidden powerklaw in there. You can even make them 'Ard Boyz at +4 points per model.

Want my advice on a 500 point game against Nids?

30 'Ard Boyz (300 points)
Nob, Powerklaw, Bosspole (40 points)
Mad Dok Grotsnik (160 points)

That's 500 points even. He will be assaulting you, he's Tyranid.

With that army, you have a 4+ armour save, a 4+ Feel No Pain save, so all your Ork boyz potentially have 2 saves each. And, you have two fearless models in there. If you need 1 HQ and 2 troops, do this:

26 'Ard Boyz (260 points)
Nob, Powerklaw, Bosspole (40 points)
Mad Dok Grotsnike (160 points)

10 Gretchin (30 points)
Runtherder (10 points)

Now you have Gretchin to splay out in front of your 'Ard Boyz to *ALSO* give you a 4+ cover save against any shooting. And if he assaults your gretchin, you''ll get assault bonuses for assaulting him back.

Give it a try.

I definately wouldnt run squads of 10 boyz, after a couple wounds they would cut and run prolly, you need 11+ for them to be fearless, for 500 points, a friend of mine usually runs 2 squads of 20 boyz w/ nob and PK for 155 each, a warboss with pk, for 85 i think, then some other random things, usually trukk boyz or lootas

Dashofpepper wrote:I agree with the previous poster on Snikrot.

Snikrot is a handy tool to have around to take down Tau gunlines, hidden troops, firing bases....his strength is his ability to come on the rear board edge and dive into your enemies. Playing against Tyranid, you're not going to see that. Snikrot is going to be next to useless since he'll come on a board edge turn 2, 3, 4, 5 and have nothing to surprise, nothing to assault; but in such a small game, he's hardly affordable.

If you are limited severely on models, or if you are aiming for one super unit like that, pick Ghazghkull Thraka. He owns in any size game. Tyranids are assault-based, and there's virtually nothing in 40k that can stand up to Ghazghkull in melee combat. He has a 2+ armour save, and on the turn you Waaugh! (and the following turn) its a 2+ invulnerable save. You get 7 attacks on the charge with a power weapon and are invulnerable to instant death.

If you're not limited on models, honestly - I'd take as many boyz as you can field. The strength of Boyz is in the size of the unit you can take. 12+ models and you're fearless, and you can have a hidden powerklaw in there. You can even make them 'Ard Boyz at +4 points per model.

Want my advice on a 500 point game against Nids?

30 'Ard Boyz (300 points)
Nob, Powerklaw, Bosspole (40 points)
Mad Dok Grotsnik (160 points)

That's 500 points even. He will be assaulting you, he's Tyranid.

With that army, you have a 4+ armour save, a 4+ Feel No Pain save, so all your Ork boyz potentially have 2 saves each. And, you have two fearless models in there. If you need 1 HQ and 2 troops, do this:

26 'Ard Boyz (260 points)
Nob, Powerklaw, Bosspole (40 points)
Mad Dok Grotsnike (160 points)

10 Gretchin (30 points)
Runtherder (10 points)

Now you have Gretchin to splay out in front of your 'Ard Boyz to *ALSO* give you a 4+ cover save against any shooting. And if he assaults your gretchin, you''ll get assault bonuses for assaulting him back.

Give it a try.

Excelent points concerning Snikrot & komandoz,did't really understand why the OP was using him in such a low points game to begin with,especialy against a small nid army.
Ghazzie is great,no doubt,but in a small 500 point game I personaly would use those points elsewhere.
I like the two list you have suggested,particurly the latter one including the 10 grot sqaud,my only concern is the inclusion of
Grotsnik,now,if the OP's only opponent is going to be his buddies nidz then the list you suggest will be solid good choices,but if he faces "shootier" opponents I still belive a Mek with KFF would be a great asset to him...IMO

Mek's with KFFs are an interesting subject.

Personally, me rolling 5s with *any* kind of frequency has about the same chance of happening as me having a simultaneous orgy with Britney Spears, Christina aguelera, and the Olson twins (all pre-drugs of course).

I shy away from the KFF except to give a squadron of vehicles (say 4-5 trukks) obscured 4+ cover saves. I'd much rather rely on a 4+ cover save than a 5+ invulnerable.

Dashofpepper wrote:Mek's with KFFs are an interesting subject.

Personally, me rolling 5s with *any* kind of frequency has about the same chance of happening as me having a simultaneous orgy with Britney Spears, Christina aguelera, and the Olson twins (all pre-drugs of course).

I shy away from the KFF except to give a squadron of vehicles (say 4-5 trukks) obscured 4+ cover saves. I'd much rather rely on a 4+ cover save than a 5+ invulnerable.

LMAO..wow you have an interesting list there,personaly I'd swap out Britney & the Olson twins for Beyonce & Shakira but I get your point.
In my own army I use my KFF in much the same way you do,protecting vehicles,however I have had a bit of luck rolling 5's for sqaud saves as well.

I would be inclined to get a blackreach warboss off ebay for 5 bucks or so and 10 boyz foir another 8ish and run this:

HQ 95
Warboss, bosspole, powerklaw, twin linked shoota

Troops 405
30 sluggas nob pk (boss joins them)
25 sluggas nob bosspole pk
500

A note on that last list....I'd give that Warboss 'Eavy armor. Since he's an independent character, he can be targeted in close combat, which means that 6" armour save isn't going to get him anywhere. Better to have a 4+ for a chance at staying alive in CC, *especially* against Tyranids.

Yes - an oversight on my part!
HQ 95
Warboss, bosspole, powerklaw, twin linked shoota eavy armor

Troops 405
30 sluggas nob pk (boss joins them)
24 sluggas nob bosspole pk
499

His shooting will be subpar, there aren't gonna be any vehicles... SO!

Warboss: Big Choppa, 'eavy Armour @ 70
30 Shootas: 3 Big Shootas, Nob, Big Choppa, Bosspole @ 215
30 Shootas: 3 Big Shootas, Nob, Big Choppa, Bosspole @ 215

Haha, so evil. You don't need PKs, your Big Choppas hit his troops 2+ already, at I3/4. You can take slugga/choppas if you want and take a PK on a Nob.