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I won the last tourney at my FLGS local gaming store w/ a similar list this is a update list .



Master of the Forge w/ Conversion Beamer 125
Space Marine Librarian ( Nullzone, Gate ) 100
Elites

Sternguard w/ 4 CombiMeltas, P.F. ; Rhino w/ Dozer Blade 335


Sternguard (9) w/ 4 Combimeltas, Rhino w/ Dozer Blade 285


Dreadnought w/ Multimelta , H. Flamer , Xtra Armour ; 130


Troops

Space Marine Scout Squad (8) w/ Sniper Rifles + Telion 185 points


Space Marine Tactical Squad w/ P.F., Melta , H. Plasma , w/ Drop Pod 235 points



Fast Attack

6 Man bike w/ 2 melta, P.F. 210




H. Support


Dreadnought w/ Assault Cannon Xtra Armour 130

Dreadnought w/ Assault Cannon Xtra Armour 130

Dreadnought w/ Multi Melta , H. Flamer 130






This is what the army looks like the previous list di not have librarian and 2 sternguard , instead 5 man term w/ redeemer. Nor did I have the Scout squad w/ Telion.


Anyway this is my alternate list with hwat I have.



Here is what I as a player have access to

Redeemer

Bunch of normal Terms

10 man Assault Squad


H. Weapons

More Marines

Vindicator

Landspeeder

5 Greyknight Terms ( lol its hard to explain )


I was thinking of dropping the librarian and sternguard adding a Redeemer w/ Greyknight Terms in it.


Anyway dats it.

My Dark Eldar want to came to this fight. low modal count with no long range AT weapons.

i Think my drop pod army would eat this list alive

very low model count, low armour vehicles (nothing <12) and only 1 mobile troop unit (the other with 4+ saves and bs/ws 3)

If i were you i would remove extra armour from everything (only a 1/6 chance of being stunned on either table) that would save you 45 points which would allow you to give one of your dreads a drop pod , and if you removed your 10 man sternguard's rhino and replaced it with a drop pod. Then you would be able to land your sternguard and your dread on the first turn to apply pressure on some of your enemies units and then later in the game drop your tacticals on an objective (or if playing HQ let them start on the table and drop an empty pod)

Hollismason wrote:"...I won the last tourney at my FLGS local gaming store w/ a similar list this is a update list..."

If you don't mind me asking, what was the caliber of the other players / lists at this tournament - mainly asking because I can't see where this would normally be a tournament list.

Edit the unstoppable part out of the title or you are going to get no constructive comments only flaming.

...Well done for winning @ your FLGS, good luck with it in the future...

Just one thing.. MOAR TROOPS!

Agreed on taking out the unstoppable.

There is VERY LITTLE in the world of 40k that is unstoppable. This army list doesn't fit into that category. I can think of about 10 ways that I can beat your army list, but I don't play SM so can't offer specific point advice on what to change, but I'll give you a bit of general advice:

The closest to unstoppable that any player will ever get is to have a balanced army capable of tackling almost any situation, and for that army to be fielded by someone who understands tactics, and has the ability to gauge distances by eye pretty well.

well... MY dark eldar would love to play this list.

unstoppable. the question is... what happens if you were to play something immovable. and if you won a tourney with this list, i am assuming the people in your FLGS are not, or the people running it don't know what they are doing and you played the bottom three, and coincidentally, they tied.

this is all relative. but important.

you need more than 2 scoring units. you're not scaring anyone with sternguard. the only real scary thing about this list is the dreads... and quite frankly... if you are playing a competent opponent they should be gone before they are ever in a 24 inch range. since i don't see drop pods on the list, that effectively means if you set up first... i have 2... MAYBE three turns to watch those dreads cross the field... meanwhile i am shooting dreads and rhinos with 9 dark lances as they cross the field while my wyches in their raider are running up to lay the beat down on some scouts and master of the forge. and while i am at it since you deployed first i am going to through my 6 haemonculus into the raiders with the wyches with their APd6 flamers, and combat drugs... and i am going to wonder why i can't play armies like this at the tournaments i go to.

drop the sternguard. or put them in pods. in fact, drop the sternguard, and add more troops.if you don't have them... ebay is a great place to buy 10 tac marines for cheap out of the new box set. or drop bikes and add more troops. you're not going to win against decent players with two troops.

if its unstoppable, why do you need critiques? =)

I like how people suggest things I do not have access to...



Armies I played

Lash Chaos ( Defiler, 2 Daemon Princes, 2 huge khorne squads)

Black Templar ( i don't remember)

Greyknights ( TANKS AAA)



I think the only thing I was thinking of changing was getting rid of the Redeemer and adding more sternguard.

People should learn to stop describing their lists like that. It only brings bashing instead of contructive criticism.

Anyway, the list is good man BUT you could definitively up your model count by taking out so many upgrades that aren't doing you much good. Like the Extra Armour and the Assault Cannons on the Dreads, or that PF on the bike. I think you also listed your points wrong.

Master of the Forge @ 120 Pts
Conversion Beamer

10 Sternguard Veteran Squad @ 310 Pts
Combi-Melta (x4); Rhino
Rhino @ [40] Pts
Dozer Blade

10 Sternguard Veteran Squad @ 310 Pts
Combi-Melta (x4); Rhino
Rhino @ [40] Pts
Dozer Blade

Dreadnought @ 115 Pts
Multi Melta; Heavy Flamer

5 Scout Squad @ 150 Pts
Camo Cloaks; Sniper Rifle (x4); Missile Launcher; Sergeant Telion

10 Tactical Squad @ 205 Pts
Multi Melta; Flamer; Rhino
Rhino @ [35] Pts

10 Tactical Squad @ 205 Pts
Multi Melta; Flamer; Rhino
Rhino @ [35] Pts

8 Space Marine Bike Squad @ 240 Pts
Meltagun (x2); Melta Bombs

Dreadnought @ 115 Pts
Multi Melta; Heavy Flamer

Dreadnought @ 115 Pts
Multi Melta; Heavy Flamer

Dreadnought @ 115 Pts
Multi Melta; Heavy Flamer

It's the models I have. I have 2 dreadnoughts w/ Assault cannons and Two Dreadnoughts w/ Multimeltas.


I am upping the model count w/ Sternguard.


2 squads in Rhinos.

Leaving out the Redeemer is difficult as I enjoy the model and playing with it.


Xtra Armour on dreads is pretty sweet as I can still move and run w/ them.

I've dealt with other list that looked scarier than this. I'm pretty convinced the players you fought weren't that good, and just chose to run the competitive list without really understanding how they work.

Good list i guess, but i've dealt with tougher ones. this is far from unstoppable.

Prophet of Dakka wrote:People should learn to stop describing their lists like that. It only brings bashing instead of contructive criticism.

Anyway, the list is good man BUT you could definitively up your model count by taking out so many upgrades that aren't doing you much good. Like the Extra Armour and the Assault Cannons on the Dreads, or that PF on the bike. I think you also listed your points wrong.

Master of the Forge @ 120 Pts
Conversion Beamer

10 Sternguard Veteran Squad @ 310 Pts
Combi-Melta (x4); Rhino
Rhino @ [40] Pts
Dozer Blade

10 Sternguard Veteran Squad @ 310 Pts
Combi-Melta (x4); Rhino
Rhino @ [40] Pts
Dozer Blade

Dreadnought @ 115 Pts
Multi Melta; Heavy Flamer

5 Scout Squad @ 150 Pts
Camo Cloaks; Sniper Rifle (x4); Missile Launcher; Sergeant Telion

10 Tactical Squad @ 205 Pts
Multi Melta; Flamer; Rhino
Rhino @ [35] Pts

10 Tactical Squad @ 205 Pts
Multi Melta; Flamer; Rhino
Rhino @ [35] Pts

8 Space Marine Bike Squad @ 240 Pts
Meltagun (x2); Melta Bombs

Dreadnought @ 115 Pts
Multi Melta; Heavy Flamer

Dreadnought @ 115 Pts
Multi Melta; Heavy Flamer

Dreadnought @ 115 Pts
Multi Melta; Heavy Flamer

Yeah. I'd like to drop the Assault cannons but that is what I got, Also I only have 5 bikes. 3 Rhinos so that is what I go with.

How in the world did a lash army lose to this?

Hollismason wrote:Yeah. I'd like to drop the Assault cannons but that is what I got, Also I only have 5 bikes. 3 Rhinos so that is what I go with.

Well, AOBR Dreads come with Multi Meltas, so I guess that isn't hard to get. The Bike Squad box comes with 3 Bikes (>_&gt and if I'd say that if you magnetize the Demolisher Cannon, you could have an interchangeable Vindicator/Rhino.

Hollismason wrote:I like how people suggest things I do not have access to...

get access... it's not like ebay is that hard to figure out. no money? get a job. what did you win for winning this tournament? i hope you won like 50 bucks to use in the store... and i hope you said you bought more sternguard... because... that would make me giggle.

Hollismason wrote:I am upping the model count w/ Sternguard.

upping the model count with sternguard is not upping the model count at all. you CAN'T win against good opponents with one mobile scoring unit. but then again... if you beat someone playing double lash with this list... your competition can't be that great, and you can probably field just the land raider and beat them with that.

Hollismason wrote:Xtra Armour on dreads is pretty sweet as I can still move and run w/ them.

no. sure the dreads are there to provide a viable threat, but because they are there to provide a viable threat, the real purpose behind them is to ignore them until they get in range for the guns. if i want your dread blown up on any particular turn... it's going to take a lot more than extra armour. waste of points.

Hollismason wrote:Yeah. I'd like to drop the Assault cannons but that is what I got, Also I only have 5 bikes. 3 Rhinos so that is what I go with.

you can go on ebay and buy just the MM arm for like... 2 dollars. or the whole dread for 10. don't ask for advice and then counter every suggestion. this is not the place for a 'tell me how great i am' ego.

One thing to note: Grey Knights and Space Marines cannot ever ally. You can ally IG and Grey Knights in a Daemonhunters army, but not SM and Grey Knights.

And like it's been said, don't ask for a critique of your army and then complain when people say "hey maybe you ought to use this." A critique is rarely a pat on the back.

Actually a SM army can have GK's as allies. A GK army can't induct SM. It's a subtle difference but it means marine armies can have GK's. They just didn't want you taking 3 squads of GKT's and 3 tactical squads.

As for the list i'd have a field and the unstoppable monicker makes it sound like your trolling. I'd say that if the list works in your area then i'd stay in your area My buddy plays tau for giggles and he'd eat this list. Good luck man. oh, and buy some more models to give yourself some flexability.