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2009/02/03 00:54:50
Subject: Another WBB inqiury
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Stinky Spore
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Is it just a one time use. Like if a necron dies and comes back, and then he dies again is he gone for good or can you keep on doing WBB? Also I know it says they're treated as debris, does that mean that say a couple turns later I get my lord with an orb in range that they can the do a WBB role?We'll Be Back (p13 C:Necrons)
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2009/02/03 02:07:19
Subject: Another WBB inqiury
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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If a necron takes a wound that does not deny it WBB, it may roll to get up on it's next turn.
EDIT: Also note that WBB happens at the BEGINNING of the Necron player's turn. Once you start moving units, it's no longer the beginning of your turn. The rule for WBB states exactly what happens when you fail the roll.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2009/02/03 02:09:06
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
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2009/02/03 02:11:47
Subject: Another WBB inqiury
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Irked Necron Immortal
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yeah, if you fail (or don't get) a WBB role, the model is removed from the table as normal.
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2009/02/03 03:22:48
Subject: Re:Another WBB inqiury
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Devastating Dark Reaper
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Lordhat,does that mean that if you move the orb within 6" of that unit you'll have to wait untill the begining of your next turn to wbb?
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2009/02/03 03:24:18
Subject: Another WBB inqiury
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Stinky Spore
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My question is if you pass it are you allowed to do WBB again with the same character. I'm new to using necrons and I wasn't sure if it was just a one time use per character. For ex:
I have 10 warriors, 5 die, 3 come back the next turn, now the 3 that came back if they suffer another wound are they gone or can you do another WBB roll the following turn?
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2009/02/03 03:35:57
Subject: Another WBB inqiury
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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In your example, yes the 3 who got back up due to WBB could test again if wounded again later in the game.
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2009/02/03 03:39:02
Subject: Another WBB inqiury
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Raging Ravener
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as soon as the Necron gets back up it follows all rules as per any other necron, so yes you could die, Pass WBB, die and then Pass a new WBB. WBB only gets one time and then it dies, but the same "model" could get multiple WBB times.
I dont play or Own the necron codex so this is just as i understand it form other players.
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2009/02/03 09:18:31
Subject: Re:Another WBB inqiury
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Blackarandras wrote:Lordhat,does that mean that if you move the orb within 6" of that unit you'll have to wait untill the begining of your next turn to wbb?
It's really simple. Need to WBB? roll the die. Pass, stand the model up. Fail, remove it from the game. If you're moving models (in your own movement phase), and there are still models awaiting a WBB roll, you're doing it wrong.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2009/02/03 10:08:31
Subject: Re:Another WBB inqiury
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Lordhat wrote:Blackarandras wrote:Lordhat,does that mean that if you move the orb within 6" of that unit you'll have to wait untill the begining of your next turn to wbb?
It's really simple. Need to WBB? roll the die. Pass, stand the model up. Fail, remove it from the game. If you're moving models (in your own movement phase), and there are still models awaiting a WBB roll, you're doing it wrong.
Unless you have monoliths on the board... In regards to Blackarandas' question, the rez orb is only checked at the moment the necron model suffers the wound, after that point the rez orb can no longer effect the model, unless they stand back up during the WBB rolls, or upon being teleported through a monolith the units cease to exist in the conventional sense, there is no longer anything for you to move the res orb near.
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2009/02/03 11:31:41
Subject: Re:Another WBB inqiury
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Fixture of Dakka
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You cannot move a Rez orb into position to secure WBB rolls for your warriors / destroyers before taking the WBB roll. However, what you can do is arrange your forces in a phalanx pattern, or a block overlay, so that your lord is within 6" of every unit. Shooting wise, I wouldn't overly worry about not getting WBBs - the only time you wouldn't is when your lord isn't around and someone is hitting you with strength 8-9-10 stuff. That's a few templates, and a couple of guns in all of 40k.
What you can do is move up the table with 2-3 squads of warriors, and a lord attached to one of them. Have a monolith as the centerpiece, and flank it with a squad of warriors on each side, along with a squad of warriors in front of it (with the lord attached to that squad); just make sure that you position them so that the lord is in range of all three units if you're taking a Rez orb. Now...you have 3 units invulnerable to instant death. Every model will get a WBB every turn that it dies, and if you take heavy casualties in one particular squad and aren't satisfied with the WBB rolls you get, you can teleport them to the door of the monolith and get a SECOND round of WBBs. Obviously the lynchpin here is keeping the monolith alive, but those things are beastly to kill - standard tank-killers / melta can't really kill Monoliths because they don't get the extra armour penetration. Tau Railguns can do a decent job with a lucky shot or focused fire, but you'll find that everyone else has trouble coping with them.
Since you're new to Necron, a few other tactics to make you aware of: You can teleport your units out of close-combat at the beginning of any given turn if you have a Monolith in range to do so (18"). Against weak CC armies like imperial guard and Tau, that means you can assault, get the charging bonus, and next turn you can teleport out of CC back to your monolith and assault again (presuming you're in range). Against armies with good close combat, it works wonders too - you assault or get assaulted, and at the beginning of your turn, you take your WBB rolls, teleport back to your monolith for a second round of WBB rolls, then rapid fire into the unit that just assaulted you. Its nasty. 
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2009/02/03 12:37:43
Subject: Re:Another WBB inqiury
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Dashofpepper wrote: - standard tank-killers
I dont mean to pick but a unit with the actual USR Tank Hunters do get a +1 to the armor penetration. Its FAQ'ed.. So beware firedragons...
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2009/02/03 23:50:25
Subject: Re:Another WBB inqiury
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Razerous wrote:Dashofpepper wrote: - standard tank-killers
I dont mean to pick but a unit with the actual USR Tank Hunters do get a +1 to the armor penetration. Its FAQ'ed.. So beware firedragons...
Where exactly is Tank Hunters mentioned in the FAQ's?
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2009/02/04 00:14:03
Subject: Re:Another WBB inqiury
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Drunkspleen wrote:Lordhat wrote:Blackarandras wrote:Lordhat,does that mean that if you move the orb within 6" of that unit you'll have to wait untill the begining of your next turn to wbb?
It's really simple. Need to WBB? roll the die. Pass, stand the model up. Fail, remove it from the game. If you're moving models (in your own movement phase), and there are still models awaiting a WBB roll, you're doing it wrong.
Unless you have monoliths on the board...
Even then you shouldn't have models waiting to make a WBB, you should have models awaiting a REROLL of their WBB. If you move a unit before rolling WBB for all available models, you're playing out of sequence.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2009/02/04 04:25:25
Subject: Another WBB inqiury
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Raging Ravener
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It was my understanding that you only EVER for 1 WBB roll, no re-roll, it it failed then the model was removed. How could they get a 2nd try at it?
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2009/02/04 04:28:41
Subject: Another WBB inqiury
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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psf3077 wrote:It was my understanding that you only EVER for 1 WBB roll, no re-roll, it it failed then the model was removed. How could they get a 2nd try at it?
Pick up the codex and read up on the Monolith.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2009/02/04 05:49:19
Subject: Another WBB inqiury
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Perturbed Blood Angel Tactical Marine
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The OPs issue has come up with some of my local peeps before and we have noticed something interesting.
The Necron codex says that all wounded necrons are left on the table as debris.
Then it says to roll WBB at the beginning of your turn and remove models that roll a 1-3 and stand up models that roll a 4-6. Only models within 6" of an alike model can make this roll.
Then it says models killed by instant death or power weapons can never make such a roll (and so they are obviously removed from the game).
If you're paying close attention you'll notice that it never explicitly says what to do with models that are damaged outside the 6" range of other alike models and were not killed by power weapons. It only says what to do with them after they've had a WBB roll.
I've never seen anyone play it this way, but I think the RAW actually say there are some odd instances (say they get damaged by boltguns on the opposite side of the board from all the other necrons) where a unit of Necrons can be wounded on turn 1 and then make WBB rolls on turn 5 or 6 (when other necrons move within 6").
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Hi, I'm Mike Leon. You may remember me from such totally metal action adventure novels as KILL KILL KILL and RATED R |
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2009/02/04 10:13:35
Subject: Re:Another WBB inqiury
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The answer to the dilmna is in the FAQ for Necrons, in the question about checking range for the resurrection orb. If a Necron is killed by a power weapon and the unit out of range of a resurrection orb, the model is removed immediately. That sets the precedent for immediately removing Necron models which are not eligible to make their WBB rolls--if the repair won't work at the start of the turn, they don't get to wait until it might work.
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