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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/07 22:33:44
Subject: Hope
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
The Realms of the Unreal, of the Glandeco-Angelinnian War Storm, Caused by the Child Slave Rebellion
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/02/07/national/w090713S85.DTL
(02-07) 09:07 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --
The White House won't say it explicitly. Neither will the Drug Enforcement Administration. Yet there is a whiff in the air that U.S. policy is about to change when it comes to medical marijuana.
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The message is clear, said UCLA professor Mark Kleiman, a former Justice Department official and an expert on crime and drug policy.
"It is no longer federal policy to beat up on hippies," said Kleiman.
Tell that to the DEA.
In California this past week, agents raided four dispensaries in Los Angeles and seized 500 pounds of pot.
"It's a little bit surprising, because I think current DEA management didn't get the message," said Kleiman. "The message is, this is no longer drug warrior time. We are not on a cultural crusade against pot-smoking."
California law permits the sale of marijuana for medical purposes, though it is still against federal law.
Thirteen states have laws permitting medicinal use of marijuana. California is unique among them for the presence of dispensaries, businesses that sell marijuana and even advertise their services. Legal under California law, such dispensaries are still illegal under federal law.
"Anyone possessing, distributing or cultivating marijuana for any reason is in violation of federal law," Sarah Pullen, a DEA spokeswoman in Los Angeles, said Thursday.
That may be the law, but it contradicts the medical marijuana position of the new president.
"The president believes that federal resources should not be used to circumvent state laws, and as he continues to appoint senior leadership to fill out the ranks of the federal government, he expects them to review their policies with that in mind," said White House spokesman Nick Shapiro, repeating past statements.
So on Friday, DEA officials in Washington declined to comment at all on the subject.
As a presidential candidate, Obama repeatedly promised a change in federal drug policy in situations where state laws allow use of medical marijuana.
"I think the basic concept of using medical marijuana for the same purposes and with the same controls as other drugs prescribed by doctors, I think that's entirely appropriate," Obama told the Mail Tribune of Medford, Ore., in March.
A year earlier at a campaign stop in New Hampshire, Obama said: "I would not have the Justice Department prosecuting and raiding medical marijuana users."
At age 47, Obama is part of a generation that had plenty of exposure to pot.
In his memoir, "Dreams from My Father," he described time spent as a youth struggling with questions about his race and identity, and turning to drugs — including marijuana and cocaine — to "push questions of who I was out of my mind."
The new president is unlikely to make any official change in policy before he has a new DEA chief and drug czar in place.
Yet experts believe it is already clear the Obama administration will change the strategy, if not the law, on medical marijuana.
Philip Heymann, a former deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration who is now a Harvard professor, said it's time for the agency to put more effort into fighting drugs more dangerous than marijuana.
"I do expect him to appoint an administrator who takes marijuana less seriously than is traditional for the DEA, as I think most Americans do," said Heymann.
Heymann said he expects the Obama administration will eventually instruct the DEA to emphatically scale back raids on dispensaries, and conduct such raids only in instances where investigators believe a business is abusing the dispensary system as a cover for other criminal behavior.
So last week's raids in California may be the last of their kind.
"The DEA's not likely to want to confront a new president," said Heymann. "It may simply be that they're behaving as they have traditionally, and they haven't anticipated the change Obama and his spokesman are signaling."
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Associated Press writer Michael Blood in Los Angeles contributed to this report.
I hope to see Obama make good on his campaign promises. The DEA's resources would be better spent busting meth labs then as they currently are, circumventing states rights.
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Devlin Mud is cheating.
More people have more rights now. Suck it.- Polonius
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/07 22:43:34
Subject: Hope
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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This has been a long time coming.
I'd be great if it went through.
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/07 22:48:27
Subject: Re:Hope
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
The Realms of the Unreal, of the Glandeco-Angelinnian War Storm, Caused by the Child Slave Rebellion
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The best part is, if Obama legalizes it, we'll never have to listen to hippies bitch about it being illegal ever again.
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2 - The hobbiest - The guy who likes the minis for what they are, loves playing with painted armies, using offical mini's in a friendly setting. Wants to play on boards with good terrain.
Devlin Mud is cheating.
More people have more rights now. Suck it.- Polonius
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/07 23:07:04
Subject: Hope
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Longtime Dakkanaut
NoVA
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I hope they tax the living crap out of it. And when they decide to nationalize health care, I hope they outlaw cigarettes completely. Prevention is where the savings are.
As for it being legal, whatever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 00:53:03
Subject: Hope
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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All drugs are going to be absolutely legal???? Finally they're getting it right!!!!
Oh wait, never mind.
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It's better to simply be an idiot, as no one can call you on it here. -H.B.M.C.
Cap'n Gordino's instant grammar guide:
"This is TOO expensive." "I'm going TO the store, TO get some stuff."
"That is THEIR stuff." "THEY'RE crappy converters."
"I put it over THERE." "I'll go to the store THEN."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 04:25:02
Subject: Re:Hope
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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If I were a pathetic loser with no life this would be a big deal.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 04:46:22
Subject: Hope
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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I want this to be wrong if only to make the guys that live next to me suffer a little bit more.
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 04:56:40
Subject: Re:Hope
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
The Realms of the Unreal, of the Glandeco-Angelinnian War Storm, Caused by the Child Slave Rebellion
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Frazzled wrote:If I were a pathetic loser with no life this would be a big deal.
Just remember, it's your tax dollars at work turning those pathetic losers into criminals that society then has to deal with.
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2 - The hobbiest - The guy who likes the minis for what they are, loves playing with painted armies, using offical mini's in a friendly setting. Wants to play on boards with good terrain.
Devlin Mud is cheating.
More people have more rights now. Suck it.- Polonius
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 05:52:41
Subject: Hope
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Serious Squig Herder
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'Hope?' What's 'hope?' Elaborate for me on this 'hope' you speak of.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 06:44:43
Subject: Hope
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
The Realms of the Unreal, of the Glandeco-Angelinnian War Storm, Caused by the Child Slave Rebellion
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Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:'Hope?' What's 'hope?' Elaborate for me on this 'hope' you speak of.
Hope that the feds might finally wisen up and allow states to make their own laws. That the government might finally wake up and realize they spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year fighting a war against a drug which is not harmful. Hope that logic may be injected back into this debate rather than allowing fear-mongering and knee-jerk reactions to be the basis of US drug policy. Maybe hope that the prison population might see a drop which could save us all a bit on our taxes.
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2 - The hobbiest - The guy who likes the minis for what they are, loves playing with painted armies, using offical mini's in a friendly setting. Wants to play on boards with good terrain.
Devlin Mud is cheating.
More people have more rights now. Suck it.- Polonius
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 07:20:46
Subject: Hope
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Sslimey Sslyth
Busy somewhere, airin' out the skin jobs.
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Toke baby, TOKE!
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I have never failed to seize on 4+ in my life!
The best 40k page in the Universe
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 08:06:30
Subject: Hope
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Sister Vastly Superior
Gig Harbor, WA
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If marijuana is legalised and properly regulated, it could bring in over 600 billion in taxes annually. Enough to pay for another war in Iraq, or start paying of the first one! I hate drugs, but what has this senseless war on them gotten? $20 and an hour in the "bad" neighborhood, and you can get yourself any illegal drug you want, 24/7!
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2000 pts SoB.
2000 pts Crimson Fists (WIP)
doomed-to-fight-until-killed-in-battle xenophobic psycho-indoctrinated super soldier warrior monks of an oppressive theocracy stuck in the past and declining while stifling under its own bureacracy and inability to react.
Vaktathi, defining Space Marines
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 08:15:47
Subject: Hope
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
Lawrence, KS (United States)
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A step in the right direction.
Federal raids on a halfway legalized drug are just absolutely counterproductive. I doubt we will see federal legalization anytime soon, but at least this crap will stop.
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Pain is an illusion of the senses, Despair an illusion of the mind.
The Tainted - Pending
I sold most of my miniatures, and am currently working on bringing my own vision of the Four Colors of Chaos to fruition |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 08:28:14
Subject: Hope
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Committed Chaos Cult Marine
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Maybe they can start on meth labs and crack down on date rape drugs. Let the hippies have their giggle grass.
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And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 09:20:06
Subject: Hope
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[DCM]
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If you guys knew the number of cases of psychosis triggered by pot, and the complete stuffing up of people with mental illness (and alot of mentally ill people smoke it) you wouldn't be going near it with a 10 foot pole.
Sadly, working in psychiatry ATM and about 30% of my patients are acute psychosis second to drugs, usually pot, speed or meth (in that order)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 09:20:35
Subject: Re:Hope
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Sslimey Sslyth
Busy somewhere, airin' out the skin jobs.
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"Hey-hey-hey-hey, smoke weed everyday"-Dave Chapelle
-I actually dont smoke it (being in Law Enforcement tends to make that idea ESPECIALLY stupid for me), I find the people who DO smoke it highly amusing however....always good for a laugh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 13:24:53
Subject: Hope
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Longtime Dakkanaut
NoVA
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Pot has been clearly shown to be a gateway drug. It has also been shown to not be "harmless". That said, it is probably not nearly as harmful as cigarettes. Let's not pretend the damage weed has done to some lives is only due to the illegality of the act and not the chemistry. Let's not be slowed.
Still, for those who want it legalized...I am all for it. I want the tax money.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 16:30:46
Subject: Hope
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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I did weed at uni, everyone did. I also took ecstasy and cocaine on some occasions. The laws didn't matter to anyone then they wont now.
meh meh meh
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 18:01:49
Subject: Hope
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Grumpy Longbeard
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I would never argue that pot isn't harmful *at all*, but I'm farily sure that the beer and fags I'm consuming legally now are gonna end up doing a lot worse to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 19:56:33
Subject: Hope
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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BloodofOrks wrote:
Hope that the feds might finally wisen up and allow states to make their own laws.
That would be unbelievably foolish in this instance. We don't really need any interstate pot bootlegging.
BloodofOrks wrote:
That the government might finally wake up and realize they spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year fighting a war against a drug which is not harmful.
Well, actually, it is harmful. But so are cigarettes, alcohol, and guns. The argument isn't that pot doesn't do the user injury, but that it doesn't do sufficient injury with respect to other legal vices in order to justify its criminalization.
BloodofOrks wrote:
Hope that logic may be injected back into this debate rather than allowing fear-mongering and knee-jerk reactions to be the basis of US drug policy.
Yes, I hope for this as well. Unfortunately when you say 'pot isn't harmful' you aren't injecting logic into the debate. Both sides must be more honest in their approach to the issue.
BloodofOrks wrote:
Maybe hope that the prison population might see a drop which could save us all a bit on our taxes.
Nah. There will just be another catch-all law enforced to arbitrarily imprison 'dangerous' individuals.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 19:56:40
Subject: Hope
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
The Realms of the Unreal, of the Glandeco-Angelinnian War Storm, Caused by the Child Slave Rebellion
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Waaagh_Gonads wrote:If you guys knew the number of cases of psychosis triggered by pot, and the complete stuffing up of people with mental illness (and alot of mentally ill people smoke it) you wouldn't be going near it with a 10 foot pole.
Sadly, working in psychiatry ATM and about 30% of my patients are acute psychosis second to drugs, usually pot, speed or meth (in that order)
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/display/article/10168/49641?pageNumber=1
In conclusion, there is evidence for an association between cannabis and psychosis. It is clear that cannabinoids can cause acute transient psychotic symptoms or an acute psychosis. Also it is clear that cannabis can exacerbate psychosis in individuals with an established psychotic disorder. However, whether cannabis causes a persistent de novo psychosis independent of any other risk factors is not supported by the existing literature. More likely, cannabis is a component cause that interacts with other factors (e.g., genetic risk) to induce psychosis.
In other words, if you are at risk for mental illness, you should avoid marijuana as it could act as a trigger for already present mental problems. As for the "gateway drug" argument, :
http://www.ask.com/bar?q=is+marijuana+a+gateway+drug&page=1&qsrc=2417&zoom=Proof+That+%3CKW%3EMarijuana%3C%2FKW%3E+Is+%3CKW%3Ea+Gateway+Drug%3C%2FKW%3E|%3CKW%3EMarijuana%3C%2FKW%3E+Is+Thought+to+Be+%3CKW%3Ea+Gateway+Drug%3C%2FKW%3E|%3CKW%3EGateway+Drug%3C%2FKW%3E+Theory&ab=0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scienceblog.com%2Fcms%2Fstudy-say-marijuana-no-gateway-drug-12116.html
While the gateway theory posits that each type of drug is associated with certain specific risk factors that cause the use of subsequent drugs, such as cigarettes or alcohol leading to marijuana, this study’s findings indicate that environmental aspects have stronger influence on which type of substance is used. That is, if it’s easier for a teen to get his hands on marijuana than beer, then he’ll be more likely to smoke pot. This evidence supports what’s known as the common liability model, an emerging theory that states the likelihood that someone will transition to the use of illegal drugs is determined not by the preceding use of a particular drug but instead by the user’s individual tendencies and environmental circumstances.
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Devlin Mud is cheating.
More people have more rights now. Suck it.- Polonius
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 0036/02/08 20:01:35
Subject: Hope
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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dogma wrote:Nah. There will just be another catch-all law enforced to arbitrarily imprison 'dangerous' individuals.
If it concerns child porn, this thread will have come full circle.
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 20:12:35
Subject: Re:Hope
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
The Realms of the Unreal, of the Glandeco-Angelinnian War Storm, Caused by the Child Slave Rebellion
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@Dogma:
I meant "not harmful" in the sense that you can't OD and die on it and it is not cripplingly addictive like heroin or meth. Sorry, should have been clearer.
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2 - The hobbiest - The guy who likes the minis for what they are, loves playing with painted armies, using offical mini's in a friendly setting. Wants to play on boards with good terrain.
Devlin Mud is cheating.
More people have more rights now. Suck it.- Polonius
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/08 22:31:12
Subject: Re:Hope
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[MOD]
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The latest research does not find Cannabis to be a proven clinical cause of psychosis, though as with all research there need to be more studies done to validate it.
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/65/11/1269
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/09 08:52:39
Subject: Hope
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[DCM]
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dogma wrote:
interstate pot bootlegging.
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Much more fun than any crappy Hollywood remake of the Dukes of Hazard.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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