Rending and monolith living metal

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**Schepp himself**

Hi folks,
Am I right if I assumed that the living metal rule ignores the extra armor penetration dice rolled by rending weapons wounding on sixes?
I'm asking because I play a Necron player this tuesday and I'm going to field Maugan Ra. Curious if he can rend the monolith away, but I guess not.
Thanks for the answers.

Greets
Schepp himself

**LunaHound**

I dont think we can.

**Tri**

No, bonus dice ever (need to easily kill a monlolith ... take 5 Swooping hawks with out an exarch they come in at 105pts and i've never had trouble killing tanks with them)

**Bookwrack**

Rending doesn't work.

**djones520**

Tri wrote:No, bonus dice ever (need to easily kill a monlolith ... take 5 Swooping hawks with out an exarch they come in at 105pts and i've never had trouble killing tanks with them)

Agree. Swooping Hawks will be your best best to drop the monolith.

**Augustus**

Also good, sort of in Order are:

Singing Spear
Witchblade
Wraithlord CC
D Cannon
Wraithcannons

Good luck, thats a tough potato to mash.

**Janthkin**

Augustus wrote:Also good, sort of in Order are:

Singing Spear
Witchblade
Wraithlord CC
D Cannon
Wraithcannons

Good luck, thats a tough potato to mash.

Linked prisms cannons are great. S10, Ap 1, twin-linked, and with a pretty good chance to actually hit.

**Marius Xerxes**

Really good actually, as they are AP 1.

Tis why I have 2 in my new 1850 build.

**Dashofpepper**

I enjoy taking both Railguns (Tau) and Powerklaws (Orks) against Monoliths. =)

**Marius Xerxes**

Dashofpepper wrote:I enjoy taking both Railguns (Tau) and Powerklaws (Orks) against Monoliths. =)

Railgun = Bop Gun

**Krellnus**

No you cannot rend against necron living metal and (for the eldar and dark eldar out there) it ignores the effects of lance weapons.

**whitedragon**

Anything AP1 is good. Multiple wraithcannon or firedragons are good.

**Drunkspleen**

Dashofpepper wrote:I enjoy taking both Railguns (Tau) and Powerklaws (Orks) against Monoliths. =)

Edit: oops, forgot nobs are +1S on standard orks.

**king-newmic**

from what i hear you cant use the double str with powerfists either, just your base str

**Webbe**

king-newmic wrote:from what i hear you cant use the double str with powerfists either, just your base str

Yes you can, check FAQ. I'm not sure if you get the +1 to Strength for Furious Charge though as I seem to remember that the second printing of the Necrons Codex has different wording than the first printing (that I got).

**Augustus**

king-newmic wrote:from what i hear you cant use the double str with powerfists either, just your base str

Oh wow. I had a huge thread about that exact issue. The language specificly calls out doubling not being allowed.

IMO RAW, no bonuses, no doubling means powergloves are not S8 (or klaws at S8 or 10) but the community really shot that down, presumabley because people hate monoliths.

The counter argument says that a powerglove doubles someones S characteristic, so the models S is technically 8 and there is no bonus.

Good luck opening up this one again, the last thread I was in was inconclusive. (I think that was in 4th ed actually).

**Augustus**

Janthkin wrote:Linked prisms cannons are great. S10, Ap 1, twin-linked, and with a pretty good chance to actually hit.

Indeed! I forgot that one! Lots of points for that one shot though, but its a good one!

**Janthkin**

Augustus wrote:
king-newmic wrote:from what i hear you cant use the double str with powerfists either, just your base str

Oh wow. I had a huge thread about that exact issue. The language specificly calls out doubling not being allowed.

IMO RAW, no bonuses, no doubling means powergloves are not S8 (or klaws at S8 or 10) but the community really shot that down, presumabley because people hate monoliths.

The counter argument says that a powerglove doubles someones S characteristic, so the models S is technically 8 and there is no bonus.

Good luck opening up this one again, the last thread I was in was inconclusive. (I think that was in 4th ed actually).

Fortunately, that one is part of the Necron FAQ:

Necron FAQ wrote:Q. Does a model with a powerfist/claw that attacks a Monolith get to double its Strength for armour penetration rolls?
A. Yes, powerfists/claws, thunder hammers, and so on still double their user’s Strength when attacking a Monolith.

Augustus wrote:
Janthkin wrote:Linked prisms cannons are great. S10, Ap 1, twin-linked, and with a pretty good chance to actually hit.

Indeed! I forgot that one! Lots of points for that one shot though, but its a good one!

I've started embracing the "naked fire prism" approach. As such, 230 pts to shoot at a 230 pt. Monolith seems downright balanced.

**Augustus**

Indeed.

I am glad the fist is in the FAQ.

My group have all shelved their cron armies since 5th came out, with the assault rules and vehicle CC rules being what they are.