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Hi can anybody make a better ork squad including HQ than this Wazdakka gutsmek, warboss with weapons as wished attack squig boss pole and cybork body, 10 Nob bikerz with weapons as wished waaagh! banner painboy grot orderly and cybork bodies
weapons as wished could be anything I personally like power klaws but they could be big choppa, choppa, slugga, tl shoota, shoota combi anything where you swap one weapon for another please tell me if I have done somthing wrong

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Patience. People will reply in time.

Although I think that's about as good as you could do.

I think you'd be happier with 2 warbosses than 1 warboss + Wazdakka

For what, one-combat-wonder-ness?

Ghazkull
Mad Dok Grotsnik
10x Nobz
Battlewagon

Anything and absolutely everything will become ROFLDED.

Yeah, in terms of simply creating the ultimate unit, here's what you can do:

Ghazghkull Thraka + 10 nobs inside a battlewagon. Ghazzy counts as two models, so the transported total is currently 12; with a Killakannon, you can't put more than 12 in there anyway. The battlewagon also counts as a dedicated transport for the Nobs. So...try this:

Battlewagon: Deff Rolla, KillaKannon, Kannon, Rokkit x4, Red Paint, Boarding Plank, Wrecking Ball, Stikkbomb Chukka. If we're being realistic....Deff Rolla, KillaKannon, Kannon, Red Paint (Boarding Plank / Stikkbomb chukka optional)
On that Battlewagon, the KillaKannon can be fired as a primary weapon, and the kannon's blast template (Str4) can be used as a defensive weapon giving you two blast templates per turn if you're only moving 7".

Ghazghkull Thraka+10 Nobs. If you want more ownage, add more powerklaws.

1. Painboy / Orderly
2. Bosspole
3. Waaugh! Banner
4. Powerklaw
5. Powerklaw / Ammo Runt
6. Powerklaw / Kombi-skorcha
7. Big Choppa
8. Big Choppa / Kombi-skorcha
9. Big Choppa / Ammo Runt
10. Normal Nob.

Add 'Eavy armour to all (50 points) and cybork bodies to all (50 points).

There is no UNIT in all of 40k that can beat this unit. C'Tan could be troublesome, but he would die. A unit of Biker nobs + Wazdakka would crumple against this as well in 1v1. You can turbo-boost turn1, but not assault, in which case you're going to get assaulted and killed (And likely Deff Rolla-ed) Alternatively you could hang back and try positioning yourself to get an assault, in which case the Battlewagon is going to sit back and krump you with Str.8 Ap3 Templates.

1 Problem with gazzy and nobz you cant give their transport a killkannon says it in theyre entry

You can't fire the Killkannon along with any other weapon - it's ordnance.

It definately says you can't put a killkannon on a dedicated transport

30 gretchins & a big mek with a SAG.

twice, dead tank, gretchin meatshield, 7-10dead nobz & ghazzie.

Its kinda moot as 20 guardsmen could cause loads of wounds to nobz, where none of them gets saved & then they all get run down on combat res. I know it wont ever happen in the lifetime of the universe.. Hence moot

I dunno my flash gitz would have a fun time with what dashofpepper listed,basically it's:

badrukk
7xgitz,dakka+3xammo runts
1xpain boy+grot orderly
Battlewagon,kilkannon,kannon,'ard case,2xbig shootas,grot riggers

Dash-I'll concede there is no UNIT that can stop your THREE UNITS you've listed.

Battlewagon-with your config, that is a heavy support choice.

Ghazkgull-HQ

Nobz- Most likely a Troop choice.

If you give me three units, then I'm fairly confident I can come up with something to counter this.

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I don't get all of the fuss about nob bikers being the ultimate unit. For half the cost a unit of assault terminators with hammers and shields will totally wreck them, and inside a land raider they have a larger assault threat radius (18" nobs vs >21" terms). Those nob biker armies have no way to pop a raider at range so their entire army is useless.

In fact, seeing as the nob unit's power is being considered with warbosses attached, if you add a chappy to the termies to make it comparable things get even worse off for the nobs.

Mad Dok Grotsnik
30 'Ard Slugga Boyz ('Eavy Nob with a PK)

Sarigar wrote:Dash-I'll concede there is no UNIT that can stop your THREE UNITS you've listed.

Battlewagon-with your config, that is a heavy support choice.

Ghazkgull-HQ

Nobz- Most likely a Troop choice.

If you give me three units, then I'm fairly confident I can come up with something to counter this.

Ahh, but the original "unit" was 2 HQs, and an elite. (Wazdakka may let warbikers be troops, but Nobz is nobz)
So while his unit might be hard for 1 unit to beat, he was as fair as the original question. It's still 1 squad. (assuming he fixes the battlewagon as gun/battlewagon as transport issue).

For my money, Grotsnik and 15 burna boys, three of them meks. Kustom Mega blastas Instant Kill nobs, and power weapons mean you're only making invuln saves.

Slyde wrote:I don't get all of the fuss about nob bikers being the ultimate unit. For half the cost a unit of assault terminators with hammers and shields will totally wreck them, and inside a land raider they have a larger assault threat radius (18" nobs vs >21" terms). Those nob biker armies have no way to pop a raider at range so their entire army is useless.

In fact, seeing as the nob unit's power is being considered with warbosses attached, if you add a chappy to the termies to make it comparable things get even worse off for the nobs.

Nob bikers are troops, have 2 wounds each, and can abuse the wound allocation wounds like no one's business.

There are counters, but they're very specific, few, and far between. TH/SS Terminators are about the only unit that can defeat them one on one at a points advantage.

TH/SS Terminators are quite strong, but aren't scoring, and there are far more counters that work effectively against them, due to them only having one wound, which means that any wounds suffers degrade their effectiveness.

Although I agree with your points, my lack of concern is more aimed towards a GT environment. In 5 rounds the odds are pretty good that the nob bikers will get paired with an army that has one of those counters, in which case they are no longer in the running.

Out of curiosity, do other people consider it an auto sports or comp hit to design a unit specifically to abuse the wound allocation rules? Personally I don't have a problem with people bringing hard lists but this kind of stuff irks me.

Comp scores do not belong in a tournament.

Slyde wrote:Out of curiosity, do other people consider it an auto sports or comp hit to design a unit specifically to abuse the wound allocation rules? Personally I don't have a problem with people bringing hard lists but this kind of stuff irks me.

I don't think so. Even in a 10 man Nob Biker squad you can equip them without having anything redundant or silly (like eavy armour on a biker.)

1. Bosspole, Slugga, Choppa
2. WAAGGH Banner, Slugga, Choppa
3. Power Klaw
4. Power Klaw, Cybork Body
5. Power Klaw, Ammo Runt
6. Big Choppa
7. Big Choppa, Ammo Runt
8. Painboy
9. Skorcha/Shoota Combi
10 Rokkit/Shoota Combi, Ammo Runt

That's a hard unit whose upgrades make them genuinely harder for reasons other than wound allocation. OK, I admit the ammo runts are a little silly but you can't expect a big scary mob like this to be trucking around without a few runts hanging on!

Nob bikers are troops, have 2 wounds each, and can abuse the wound allocation wounds like no one's business.

They're only troops if you have an Ork Warboss . If you don't have a regular warboss then Nob bikers are elites. If you have only one Warboss and 2-3 units of Nob bikers then only one of them counts as a troop unit.

I agree about the wound allocation abuse. Is there a unit that does this any better?

This kind of unit makes me love plasma guns and Demolisher cannons.

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Defining better may be the key to this. Nobz bikers are the flavor of the month. So in my opinion, a better unit is something that my opponents have not figured out is so big a threat. Burnas with a Warboss riding in a battlewagon, perhaps...

Cheers.

30 Slugga Boyz, a Nob with a Power Klaw and a Bosspole...220 points.

Better (in cost efficiency)

And really, I will generally stand by that. Unless you already have too many (to fit on a board or move comfortably), add another. You get 3 of these for one of these great units, and if one takes the charge and the other two charge in, you are most likely going to sweep up, as you have around 200 WS 4 S 4 attacks at I3 (this, of course, assumes that they can all get engaged, which may not be that realistic). That should result in 50 wounds against non-biker nobz, which will still kill 5 if they are in mega-armor, and will probably wipe the squad if they are not in mega-armor. Even if the character(s) survive, they don't have more than 10 attacks total, and then they need to contend with any power klaw attacks.

Of course, this won't get you your wup-ass in a can that you are probably looking for, but it is important to note if you really want all your power to be in a single (blast template sized) squad.