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I built a list for our league when we escalate to 1500. I want it to be dead killy and handle csm, marines, and orks.

--HQ--
Warboss bike pk attack squig bp cybork eavy armor
Big Mek KFF

--Elite--
15 Kommandos 2 flamers, Snikrot

--Troops--
10 Nobs bikes eavy armor cybork 2xbc, 4xpk, 3xshoota skorcha kombi, bp, waaagh! banner, painboy w/orderly
18 Sluggas, nob bp pk

--Heavy Support--
Battlewagon deffrolla red paint kannon big shoota

The mek and boys roll in the wagon. It should attract near 0 fire. It moves on the opposite side of the bikers. Between the wagon and the bikers, snikrot and his boys should clean up with they drop in.

I don't have enough bikers to make 2 squads, I am working with what I have.

I could drop the wagon and add 2 trukks with boyz, but I don't think they would be as killy.
Help me tweak this!

Yea, well, in 2 games of testing they did in fact shoot the wagon before it got there both games. The boys hopped out and worked around to a rear objective, and the bikers smashed everything the came across. Snikrot and his boys weren't a real factor, but he did deploy about 24" from the board edges, which was worth a lot to me in the end.

I am debating dropping the wagon and boyz for 15 lootas and a small squad of grots.

Well, 3 more games of playtesting and I think I am missing something. It should be killer, but sm and csm are giving me fits. I am 2-1 vs csm and 1-1 vs sm, and 2 of the three wins could have gone either way.

I like snikrot and his boys, they have only killed 1 squad per game, but they are forcing them to stay well away from the board edges. I just don't know if they are worth what I am paying when I could get more boyz -
Here is an alternative i am looking at:
--HQ--250
Big Mek KFF grot oilers (in wagon)
Warboss Bike PK squig cybork BP EArmor

--Troops--1068
10 Nobs bikes eavy armor cybork 2xbc, 4xpk, 3xshoota skorcha kombi, bp, waaagh! banner, painboy w/orderly
19 Shoota boyz bs Nob w/ bp pk (in wagon)
12 Sluggas Nob w/bp pk (in trukk)
19 Gretchin runtherd (rear objective squatters)

--Heavy Support--135
Battlewagon deff rolla red paint riggers kannon big shoota

--Dedicated Transport--45
Trukk red paint reinforced ram

That gives me 3 scoring units. I am still hurting on dealing with armor, I am waffling between the above and just swapping 15 lootas for the kommandos...

Does anyone have an opinion or advice on this? Here are the three options I am looking at. If something isn't on the list feel free to throw it out there. Is the eavy armor necessary on the warboss? Nob bikers?

1.
--HQ--
Warboss bike pk attack squig bp cybork eavy armor
Big Mek KFF

--Elite--
15 Kommandos 2 flamers, Snikrot

--Troops--
10 Nobs bikes eavy armor cybork 2xbc, 4xpk, 3xshoota skorcha kombi, bp, waaagh! banner, painboy w/orderly
18 Sluggas, nob bp pk

--Heavy Support--
Battlewagon deffrolla red paint kannon big shoota

2.
--HQ--
Big Mek KFF grot oilers (in wagon)
Warboss Bike PK squig cybork BP EArmor

--Troops--
10 Nobs bikes eavy armor cybork 2xbc, 4xpk, 3xshoota skorcha kombi, bp, waaagh! banner, painboy w/orderly
19 Shoota boyz bs Nob w/ bp pk (in wagon)
12 Sluggas Nob w/bp pk (in trukk)
19 Gretchin runtherd (rear objective squatters)

--Heavy Support--
Battlewagon deff rolla red paint riggers kannon big shoota

--Dedicated Transport--
Trukk red paint reinforced ram

3.
--HQ--
Warboss bike pk attack squig bp cybork eavy armor
Big Mek KFF

--Elite--
15 Lootas

--Troops--
10 Nobs bikes eavy armor cybork 2xbc, 4xpk, 3xshoota skorcha kombi, bp, waaagh! banner, painboy w/orderly
18 Sluggas, nob bp pk
10 gretchin and runtherd

--Heavy Support--
Battlewagon deffrolla red paint kannon big shoota

Thanks for all the friendly advice!

You have six messages scattered over a period of two days. You're averaging three per day, like you expect the entire DakkaDakka community to be completely focused on you. Slow your roll. : )

Let me copy and paste something I just wrote to someone else:

Again, you're caught in the "bit of everything" mentality.

Orks can make a gunline or a shooty army to make Tau cower. You can also make an assault army to make tyranids cower. You can make a mechanized list, a green tide...there's a lot of things you can do with Orks. But you can't do them ALL at the same time. Any particular army list has to take one element and maximize it.

If you were to stick 3 Loota squads into battlewagons, you're no longer talking about an assault army, you're making a shooty army. 3 squads of Lootas in mobile bunkers that have their OWN huge guns. Attach a couple of shokk attack guns in there if you like. A couple of Deff Dreads or Killakannon squads with ranged weaponry. Tack in whatever free points you have to get as many shoota boyz as you can, and those are your mobile firepower. 30 boyz at Assault 2 is 60 shots...someone's gonna lose some models, and you hold such vast fire superiority at this point that you can annihilate pretty much anything (although you're going to be weak against mechanized stuff, especially Land Raiders - that's what powerklaws are for)

That's one potential army combination. If you're going to use Lootas, then use them to their maximum effectiveness. Otherwise, sub them out and use something else - less expensive boyz. If you want a foot slogging army, shoota boyz are your best friend. Screen them with a line of gretchin and everyone has a 4+ cover save except the gretchin who...we don't care about. 29 Gretchin, 2 runtherders: 107 points. Good price to pay for a cover save for your army. Make sure you tack in a powerklaw in every squad.

Alternatively, make as many squads of boyz as you can and stick them into trukks. Battlewagon with Nobs and a Warboss or Ghazghkull. Mechanized ork fury! See what I mean? There's a lot of combinations that you can do, and all of them are brutally effective. However, you have to pick ONE route and go with it; you can't mix and match strategies. Orks are weak compared to pretty much EVERYTHING else out there - they make up for this with numbers. So pick something that you think is the way you want to play and invest in that route fully.

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here's how it applies to you. Make a biker army or don't. Orks can do anything better than anyone else, but only that one thing that you focus on. If you want a biker army, then drop the non biker stuff, maximize your biker squads, and if you have points left over....THEN consider what to do. Also, Wazdakka is a BEAST. Might want to consider him.

i agree with dash, orks dont work too well when split into different unit types, keep a solid theme going and dont stray of course.
if you want biker nobz of doom, then go for it, but make sure you have plenty of fast moving units, otherwise they got shot while footsloggers are left behind (and soon to be shot at)

Thanks JD - the word I was looking for was "theme." I couldn't think of it offhand. =p

Any of the Ork themes are AWESOME, hands down nigh unstoppable. But you have to pick one and go for it.

Since I only have 10 nob bikers and the boss, would this be more viable:

--HQ--
Warboss Bike PK squig cybork BP EArmor
Big Mek KFF

--Troops--
10 Nobs bikes eavy armor cybork 2xbc, 4xpk, 3xshoota skorcha kombi, bp, waaagh! banner, painboy w/orderly
10 boyz, nob pk/bp trukk, red w/ram
12 boyz, nob pk/bp trukk, red w/ram
12 boyz, nob pk/bp trukk, red w/ram

--Fast Attack--
3 buggies, red paint, 2 w/rokkits