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So if you take a captain on a bike or Khan on his bike, you can take bikes as troops, like a white scars army.

So why wasnt their an option to take the captain with jet pack or Shrike, and take assault squads as troops choices?

would it be overkill? and if it is overkill, would there be a way to limit it? like a max of 2 or 3 squads can be counted as troops?

Because if you did that, Blood Angels would get angrier.

What dietrich said.
I'm assuming they did it that way to keep BA a distinct army. Much in the same way that only DA can mix and match assault and normal terminators.

....because the C:SM isnt a CC army.

Lordhat wrote:What dietrich said.
I'm assuming they did it that way to keep BA a distinct army. Much in the same way that only DA can mix and match assault and normal terminators.

yes in a deathwing army, but C:SM bike army is pretty close to a ravenwing army, minus the backup landspeeders with the bikes.

It just seems like it should have been an option, and when the BA codex comes out, if it does, would have had better options over how we would make one out of C:SM

dietrich wrote:Because if you did that, Blood Angels would get angrier.

QFT.

SM are 10-man Bolter squads with Transport

BA have Assault Squads

The two don't overlap on each other's specialties.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

dietrich wrote:Because if you did that, Blood Angels would get angrier.

QFT.

SM are 10-man Bolter squads with Transport

BA have Assault Squads

The two don't overlap on each other's specialties.

then why did we get an option for bikes as troops, that is overlapping a DA army.

IMO, that was a mistake on GW's part. WS should have been forced to play as DA RW.

Because Roberto Girly-man says so. Honor the Codex Astartes!

Personally, I would have love to have seen DA BA and WS rolled up into the current codex by saying something similar "If your master/captain takes terminator armor, you can have terminators as troop choices. If your master/captain takes a jump pack, you can have assault squads as troop choices. If your master/captain takes a bike, you may take bike squads as troop choices". Then add in Baal Predators into the codex.
Then you no longer have god knows how many space marine codi rolling around and you won't have DA and BA players crying that they don't get 3+ invulnerable saves with storm shields. The only problem is then you'll have annoying combinations like a terminator captain and bike captain leading some bizarre WS/DW hybrid backed up by a couple of Baal Predators.

Because of the fluff, even the Ravenguard don't actually use assault squads as their main troops, no codex chapter does. Wheras the White Scars use bikes as the mainstay of their army, you see the difference.

Thats also why the BA and DA have their scouts in the elite section to represent that they're used much less in the front line because the prefered chapter tactics focuses on different types of tactics.

Then you no longer have god knows how many space marine codi rolling around and you won't have DA and BA players crying that they don't get 3+ invulnerable saves with storm shields.

Well, yes but you will then have DA and BA players crying that everyone else is playing with their toys and they don't want to share...

Edit; Fix Ravenwing to Ravenguard typo - Thanks John!

@Hymirl: I'm assuming you meant Codex Astartes Raven Guard, not minor deviance DA Ravenwing.

themandudeperson wrote:Personally, I would have love to have seen DA BA and WS rolled up into the current codex by saying something similar "If your master/captain takes terminator armor, you can have terminators as troop choices. If your master/captain takes a jump pack, you can have assault squads as troop choices. If your master/captain takes a bike, you may take bike squads as troop choices". Then add in Baal Predators into the codex.
Then you no longer have god knows how many space marine codi rolling around and you won't have DA and BA players crying that they don't get 3+ invulnerable saves with storm shields. The only problem is then you'll have annoying combinations like a terminator captain and bike captain leading some bizarre WS/DW hybrid backed up by a couple of Baal Predators.

that would have been awesome!

GW needs to just release a overall SM Chapters codex, that lists all the main chapters (BA, DA, SW and maybe a few new ones) instead of 4-5 more single SM codexes. and it would list the special rules you would go by if you ran that chapter, like the BA rage, and the BT movement stuff.

Hymirl wrote:
Well, yes but you will then have DA and BA players crying that everyone else is playing with their toys and they don't want to share...

The point is, if you rolled all of them into one big codex you wouldn't have BA crying about other people using their toys because they'd have all the toys the other chapters have as well. Yeah, I'll let you use a Baal Predator and scouts that don't suck and count as elites, if I can give my Veteran Assault 3+ invulnerable save Storm Shields. If you want a fluffy army, you won't take choices outside of your chapter's background. Sure, there will have to be restrictions to keep power players in check. Maybe a "if you take this as an HQ choice followed by these as a troop choice, those become a heavy support choice or are restricted from use". And it would save confusion as a SM Storm Shield = a BA Storm Shield = a DA Storm Shield = a BT Storm Shield = a SW Storm Shield, instead of having 5 codi that don't agree.

I don't see a problem either way myself, although I would like there to be a bit more equality with wargear and stats. Although its not all disadvantage, your BA are enjoying chaplains that aren't crappy initiative 4 which is nice!

Its similar in some ways to what happened with the Eldar codex when that complied all the craftworlds into one list. There was an awful lot of grumbling about how people liked having special stuff just for their army.

A lot of players like youself wouldn't mind and would be quite happy to say that marines are marines but equally it would cause a lot of upset, although I expect that the whiner would either get over it or find something else to whine about eventually.

At least when all the sub-codexes referenced to the main marine codex they all updated together when the main one was. I always felt that was quite a nifty solution that they got rid of a bit too quickly.

Wow, post made it this long with the mandatory "Tactical SM should come with a Bolter, Bolt Pistol, grenades *and* a CCW!!! I mean they are frakin Hurr Marines"