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A buddy and I went out to one of the local ranges today. What a blast.

He brought his AR-15, and 9MM berretta.
I brought along a few guns, but only got out my SKS and brand spanking new WASR-10 (AK-47).


It was a good time. We started by just shooting some paper targets he brought along. Shooting at 25 yards back, made for fairly easy shots…. Next time we’ll drop back to the 50 yard mark.

After we shot up 2 or 3 targets, I busted out a deck of cards and stapled a few of them up on the target line. His AR is dead on, he managed to get 4 out of 5 of the cards with 5 shots. I set up 2 for my AK and hit one with 2 shots.

Those AR's are accurate I tell ya what. And if they weren’t $1,100 + I would get one.... but they are a bit pricy for my blood.

The AR was shooting fairly tight groups. Within 2 inches at our 25 yards. I wasn’t expecting much in the accuracy department from my AK, but I was getting fairly tight groupings as well.... the SKS surprised me, 5 shots at about a 1.5 inch grouping.

It really started to get fun when we set up spent shotgun shells and tried to shoot them down.... the AR was going about 3 down for 4 shots. My AK brought down a few as well.


I burnt through 100ish 7.62 rounds. And boy, when that AK rapid fires, it is one big split second rush. Mine is an Illinois legal AK, but I had at least 4 times where it double taped and fire 2-3 shots just like it was an auto. I think ill get rid of that problem when I clean it later.... ill make sure to oil it real good.

So.... any gun range stories to share on the interweb?

Last time i was at the range some idiot decided to act all cool and shoot his gun sideways, with no eye protection, it was an automatic.

He fires the shell hits himself dead in the eye he then reached his hand up that was holding the gun and nearly shot himself in the head.

remember kids that's a nono

Edit; for clarity

I finally talked my wife (a 100% gunaphobe) into learning how to use my glock for home protection. It only took 4 years of nagging and even then it only happened when she thought she saw a peeping tom in the window while she was home alone.. It's amazing what people refuse to do until their safety feels threatened.
After about 5-6 shots she was hooked. "It's like having fireworks" is all she'd say about it. I managed to get her to keep a pattern on a dinner plate at 10 yards, which is more than enough to remain lethal within the close confines of our house. It did take a long time to get her in the proper stance to fire accurately and the fact that she had the worst jitters leading up to actually firing it didn't help. All in all, it was a very satisfying experience for me.

Most people love to shoot when they actualy go out and try it.

most of the stuff i own is a little big for first time shooters though. i do have a 9mm hi-point which would be ok, and next weekend i am going to look for a .22 at the gun show. good starting round, and its cheep. 8 bucks for a box of 100 rounds.... go and shoot for a day for 16 bucks. that beats the heck out of my AK rounds (hoping that some reloading equpiment will help with that).

I like to go down to the shooting ranges when I head out to Vegas. Full auto weapons are leagal there so you can try out all kinds of fun stuff. Last time I went, I had a chance to try out a Tommy Gun (with the normal magazine rather than the drum). All I got to say is man, that this is F'ing heavy. The .45 ammo doesn't help things either.

There's this one shooting range I checked out there on vacation. I can't remember the name right off. Anyways, when you go into the front room all four walls are covered with just about any fire arm you can think of and under each one is a tag with it's name and the price per magazine. You tell them which gun you'd like to fire and how many mags and they take it off the wall, grab the ammo and take you into the range portion. Then they give you a quick tutorial of how to operate the gun, hang you a target and let you run it back to where you're comfortable and let you start throwing lead down range. I had to go big, so I went with the m-14 and the m-249. I have a secret love affair with the m-14 now that my wife doesn't know about.. we send each other love notes. The SAW was fun, a lot more accurate than I figured it would be, but it's heavy as hell and is only firing 5.56mm anyway so there's 0 recoil.

what i would do for a half decent gun
stuck using a basic Mgrade SA80 and a glock 17

SA80's are the biggest piles of gak you can get
need constant work on them to stop the bloody things falling apart (all guns do, but this has to be the worsed rifle possible)
thats what you get i guess when british military start buying weps

I haven't been to the range in years. About a year ago I spent some time trying to get some mates to go with me, but that didn't work out in the end. Might start up the effort again.

Envy89 wrote:I burnt through 100ish 7.62 rounds. And boy, when that AK rapid fires, it is one big split second rush. Mine is an Illinois legal AK, but I had at least 4 times where it double taped and fire 2-3 shots just like it was an auto. I think ill get rid of that problem when I clean it later.... ill make sure to oil it real good.

Is there a simple explanation for how that would happen? Is it because it's an automatic weapon modified to semi-auto?

sebster wrote: Is there a simple explanation for how that would happen? Is it because it's an automatic weapon modified to semi-auto?

mine is a WASR-10 from century arms... it looks exactly like an AK, and it operaters in the same way with the exception of rapid firing. the safty on it goes from safe, to fire. on the "real" AK's it is safe, single, full.

i am certin that the only reason mine fired like that is because the firing pin got stuck in the forward position. so when i fired, it shot that round, then chambered another. but since the pin was stuck forward, it fired that round as well... i have heard that this is called a "Slam fire"

there was a bit of gunky gak in the pin area. i cleaned it out as best i could, and oiled it up. moving the pin to get the oil worked down.

youbedead wrote:Last time i was at the range some idiot decided to act all cool and shoot his gun sideways, with no eye protection, it was an automatic.

He fires the shell hits himself dead in the eye he then reached his hand up that was holding the gun and nearly shot himself in the head.

remember kids that's a nono

Edit; for clarity

I cracked up when I read this. I hope this guy doesn't breed.

themandudeperson wrote:It did take a long time to get her in the proper stance to fire accurately and the fact that she had the worst jitters leading up to actually firing it didn't help.

Unless you train with a pistol regularly or have a very level head in dangerous situations it's not a bad idea to practice 'point and fire'. There are many accounts of police officers who are experts on the range and have to empty several clips IRL to take down a baddie. This is because they believe that "they didn't have enough time to aim properly". In most cases they probably would have taken them down in one shot but in the dangerous situation did what was natural and rushed their shots to get to cover.

Envy89 wrote:

sebster wrote: Is there a simple explanation for how that would happen? Is it because it's an automatic weapon modified to semi-auto?

mine is a WASR-10 from century arms... it looks exactly like an AK, and it operaters in the same way with the exception of rapid firing. the safty on it goes from safe, to fire. on the "real" AK's it is safe, single, full.

i am certin that the only reason mine fired like that is because the firing pin got stuck in the forward position. so when i fired, it shot that round, then chambered another. but since the pin was stuck forward, it fired that round as well... i have heard that this is called a "Slam fire"

there was a bit of gunky gak in the pin area. i cleaned it out as best i could, and oiled it up. moving the pin to get the oil worked down.

Cool, I get what you're saying. Thanks.

Thalor wrote:Unless you train with a pistol regularly or have a very level head in dangerous situations it's not a bad idea to practice 'point and fire'. There are many accounts of police officers who are experts on the range and have to empty several clips IRL to take down a baddie. This is because they believe that "they didn't have enough time to aim properly". In most cases they probably would have taken them down in one shot but in the dangerous situation did what was natural and rushed their shots to get to cover.

One FBI report I read a long time back said that police accuracy in the field was around in hit per six shots at a range of twenty feet. The bad guys were even worse.

JD21290 wrote:what i would do for a half decent gun
stuck using a basic Mgrade SA80 and a glock 17

SA80's are the biggest piles of gak you can get
need constant work on them to stop the bloody things falling apart (all guns do, but this has to be the worsed rifle possible)
thats what you get i guess when british military start buying weps

I feel for you. No wonder the real men in the British Army use M16s.

sA

Are you finding it difficult to find .45s and 9mms? Since December its been quite hard for me to find .45s, 9mm, .40/10mm, and .380s. I even have packs on back order, which I've never had a problem with previously. I just now was able to acquire my favorite .22 LR bricks.

hard to find 9MM.... i just walk into wally world, farm and fleet, dicks sporting goods... ect ect, i pick some up. they go through the whole "Is this for a pistol" deal because i am under 21 (Stupid law, people under 21 cant buy handguns, or ammo for a handguns) i say no its for for my Hi-Point and show them a picture.

as for .45, i dont know. i dont look for it because i dont have one. i own enough guns that fire expensive rounds, from now on its 9mm, .22, or a gun that shoots the same round as one of my others.

say, a lee enfield (WW2 model) fires 30-06 right??

edit in : i am finding it VERY hard to find 7.62 by 39 though.... i can get a box or 2 at a time at wally world, but they are 18$ for 20 rounds. i cant find wolf rounds with thier 5$ a box goodness anywhere. one of the pawn shops gets some in once in a blue moon, but they sell out the day they get it in. i am going to break down soon and mail order some.

Yes, 30-06.

Recently Academy's, Wally World (nothin says loving like your Wally Walk), etc have been sparse for 9mms and .45s. Real sparse.

EDIT yes .223 and .308 calibers are very hard to come by as well.

Anyone care to take a guess as to why it may be difficult to find .223 and 7.62 rounds? *cough* Middle East *cough*

also
coug***worried about new Democratic tax on ammunition and confiscation of firearms in general***cough

Wrong.
The British Lee Enfield fires .303 British unmodified.

I own 3.

@Envy89:
You don't have to pay $1k+ for a decent AR!
You just need to build your own!

You can put one together yourself for $500-$900 depending on options.
The lower reciever is what counts as the rifle to the BATFE, so that needs to be sent to a FFL, but the rest of the parts can be shipped directly to you!

Try Model 1 sales to start

http://www.model1sales.com/

jp400 wrote:Wrong.
The British Lee Enfield fires .303 British unmodified.

I own 3.

He might mean the US version. Yes, the British Lee is .303. really cheap ammo right now for it.

Edit: my reference:
http://www.thecmp.org/m1917.htm

Or you can reload your own. Relatively speaking, the cost is peanuts compared to factory ammo. The only real cost is the startup. Lee's pretty cheap, but you can shop around used for a good deal.

As long as you take your time and check your powder weights, it's not rocket science. If you're worried about accidentially double-charging a cartridge, you can pick a powder setup where a second charge will overflow the case.

I also mould most of my own bullets, too -- practically free. Old wheel weights, anyone?

I am free from the need to use "mainstream" calibers. The only thing you might pay a bit for are the cases. You can get dies for anything.

I load my own .30-40 Krag, .45-70 Gvt, and .50-70 Gvt.

In the end, you'll have tighter shooting ammunition, since you can keeping the loads more consistant than factory ammo. If you're running .303 British through a No 5 Jungle Carbine (an experience in pain), you can make a softer load to save your shoulder.

ZF-

Yeah but gunz are bad and evil and kill people and they should be totally illegal.


Sorry, just seemed this thread was about due that!

Thalor wrote:
Unless you train with a pistol regularly or have a very level head in dangerous situations it's not a bad idea to practice 'point and fire'. There are many accounts of police officers who are experts on the range and have to empty several clips IRL to take down a baddie. This is because they believe that "they didn't have enough time to aim properly". In most cases they probably would have taken them down in one shot but in the dangerous situation did what was natural and rushed their shots to get to cover.

99% of all shootings in the U.S. happen at 3-5 feet, with 3-5 shots, in 3-5 seconds, and even so, 90% of the shots fired MISS their target. (Often hitting the innocent bystanders.)
It takes 2000 repetitions of 'Draw, aim, shoot and hit, just to reliably overcome the the factors caused by a stressful situation. (Note the 'and hit' part.... you have to be able to draw and hit before you can practise it. Learning THAT can take quite a while.)
After you learn the above, it's worthless unless you repeat the exercise at minimum 200 times weekly. The you can start practising on MOVING targets, then stationary targets while moving yourself, and finally moving targets, while moving yourself. If you don't practise these skills they stop being skills. It's all about muscle memory. No government agency, civilian federal, or military, train and practise like this; Special Forces are most likely the exception (I'm not in those so I don't know.)

Thats great but generally, er irrelevant for, er anything.

Frazzled wrote:Thats great but generally, er irrelevant for, er anything.

Only if you don't carry a gun.

Yet strangely enough thousands and thousands of police carry firearms and there are lots of shooting homicides. Evidently they are able to survive without the massive amount of practice you're talking about. Your claim of that amount of practice needed is bogus.

Note competitive shooters typically practice a 1,000 rounds or more a month, thats way above even them.

Frazzled wrote:

jp400 wrote:Wrong.
The British Lee Enfield fires .303 British unmodified.

I own 3.

He might mean the US version. Yes, the British Lee is .303. really cheap ammo right now for it.

Eh good point, dont know why this didnt pop into my head at the time. Oh well.

Actually I had thought the US Springfield was called Enfield until I noticed they were different US models when looking at something. When you think Enfield you really do think the British rifle.

I was thinknig a WW 2 model brit rifel.

but i really dont want another bullet to buy, so if i can find one in 30-06 that would be great as i allready have a rechambered mauser in 30-06.

@ Illeix. Thanks for that link!! starting to droll over those M16's kits now... may or may not get it, stupid .223.

Get a Springfield. Its 30-06. Get em cheap