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Hi everyone,

Bit confused here about the transition between WHFB and WH40k.

1. Is WHFB staged on Earth/Terra? Earth is the only World that could support life for all races (this all before advanced technology)

2. If Humans eventually take command over Terra, wouldn't all the orks have been killed off. The only other other explanation I can think of is that the orks built a ship, but even that would be unbelievable as building a spaceship is probably pretty obvious and the humans would find them and blow it up.

Thanks in advance,

Brad,

There's offically no link.

People used to think there was a link between the Warhammer and 40k universes - the most popular being that Warhammer was set in a feral/medaeval world inside the 40k universe, but it's all theory really.

Officially, they're both completely separate universes and there's no link between the two. There's also no link between the WHFB world and 'our' world, whereas 40k is set in 'our' world +38,000 years...

ArbitorIan is correct. In second addition they hinted that Sigmar was the first time the Emperor had come to human planet. and that WHFB was just the past in the same reality, but moving to third they made it clear there is not ties to games.

ArbitorIan wrote:There's also no link between the WHFB world and 'our' world

Yeh no direct links but there are hints. For example the whfb map is based loosely on the map of the earth, with Albion (an archaic name for Britain) in the same place as Britain on our own map, the old world in Europe's place, lustria: south america etc. etc.

If you're trying to bridge the gap in your mind for fluff reasons, try this:

Orks are a spore. When you kill an Ork, it releases spores into the air. It may well have been that Orks were wiped out on Earth, and some of their spores went on to be carried off into space and planted on new worlds elsewhere. It *has* happened before. Additionally, Orks probably existed on more worlds than humans.

In Fantasy Warhammer, you don't have super-intelligent Orks. However, in 40k fluff, Orks retain genetic knowledge of how to build ork technology and are predisposed towards one area of ork society - these characteristics were built into their DNA by a long lost / dead caste of Orks called "Brain Boyz."

Since you don't see hyper-intelligence at work on the side of orks in Warhammer Fantasy (unless I'm the general behind them of course ), then I think you can safely presume that they matured as a race elsewhere than Terra, OR that the Brainboyz deposited some Orks on Earth and were technologically far advanced to humans even then.

well there is no connection, it was easier for GW to use most of their existing armies in 40k, rather than make up whole new ones

Yup - a classic case of GW being lazy.
I'm glad they used Orks though.

None of you guys know what you're talking about. None of you.

There are multiple points where a link is either explicitely stated or is strongly implied. See: Realm of Chaos - The Lost and the Damned, WHFB 3rd edition rulebook, Liber Chaotica, the Dark Shadows campaign material.

The configuration of the continents on the Warhammer World is a result of the Slann's (later retconned to the Old Ones') modifiocations to the planet. Many planets have this configuration, much to the confusion of various younger races. Something to do with the warp gates or something.

But no, the Warhammer World is not Earth/Terra. It is simply a planet isolated by warp storms. Obviously there are plenty of discrepancies between the two settings, but it's not like either of them are particularly internally-consistant anyway...

Orcs in the Warhammer world have females and breed and are merely a larger goblinoid species related to goblins and gnoblars. They are big green primitive tolkieny sort of bad guys who whomp on anything that needs it.

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Orks in the 40K universe are a vaguely humanoid fungus psuedo-animal organism with no females and they grow underground beneath a mushroom emerging to make war or take a clout to the head if they are just snots. They They have an innate understanding( or misunderstanding) of technology that allows a new ork population grown from spores to quickly unite and create complex machinery and undertake space travel to have big wars. They also have a weird latent psychic thing that makes certain devices work that shouldn't merely because the orks believe that they should. Supposedly a lot of things taken from the orks don't work for the inquisition or Adeptus mechanicas teams who examine them.

The orks were designed as easily replenished and hard to exterminate bioweapons by the Old Ones (thought to be Slaan or perhaps served by the Slaan) and originally they were lead by far more intelligent snotlings called Brain Boyz. The intelligence of the Brain Boyz was thought to have come from a special and rare form of mushroom that were all eaten one day by a Nob who was sick of takin' orders from the little gitz. Now except for a few rare visionary warlords the orks are doomed to an existence of stupifdity violence and fun.

Furthermore the orks manifest "deity scale" warp entities called Gork and Mork that they revere as brother gods(really really really big important orcs). Most often they are symbolized as a red sun(Evil sunz) and yellow moon (Ban Moons). Some have speculated that Gork and Mork are actually apects of Khorne and Tzeentch as seen (filtered) through the lens of a primitive orkish mind. One is all rage and strength and power and loud noises and the other is what makes lightning and smoke come out of da weird boyz before they starts to howl and blows up. And True to form the Weird Boyz take a lot of kicks and insults from the proper fightin' orks who wouldn't even want the weird boyz round cept da Bozz says dey gotta and dat's dat. So they get on about like Khorne and Tzeentch do when arguing about magic and treachery versus brawn and punching the crap out of things. The Orks seems to have little fear of decay or attraction to sensual decadence so Slaanesh and Nergal have little to no influence on them.
It is also possible that Mork and Gork are gestalt conciousnesses produced by the Ork race similar to a Tyranid hive mind, that they are what happens when a bunch of psychic idiots labor under a common delusion imprinted in their genetic memory, are some sort of weapons created by the old ones for the orks to wield, or are actual independent warp storms entities of power similar to the four great ruinous powers who for some reason choose to communicate only with orks.

I'm pretty sure that the fungoid Ork fluff has been incorporated into the most recent versions of the Fantasy Orcs' fluff.