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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7889631.stm

Currently the law in Britain states that hate preachers who incite violence can be arrested and deported. Quite right too.

New proposals however mean that now merely challenging the British way of life will lead to people being "isolated and publicly rejected".

Now I have little time for anarchists, religious extremists, homophobes and hatemongers but to suggest that challenging the status quo should actually be illegal doesn't sit comfortably with me at all. Of course its being aimed at Muslims (because no other religious groups ever had a go at the gays!) but it all to easy for such legislation to be turned against anyone who has something negative to say about the state.

The quote below quite frankly chilled me to the bone.

"We want to move away from just challenging violent extremism. We now believe that we should challenge people who are against democracy and state institutions".

I can think of plenty of 'State Institutions' I'm not happy with, not to extent I want to blow them up, but this sort of thing could easily lead to the state having license to cart any anyone they feel like.

Anyway I'll get off my now!

Jesus, America has problems but the UK's looking even worse off.

Hope things change.

Modquisition on:

Speaking of censorship I am removed the slam against the UK. If attacking a nation, when not in jest, please support your statement, else it becomes a troll attack.

They kept talking about isolating certain people for their speach. What does 'isolated' mean?

If it means government action that calls people out and makes life hard for them despite having never committed a crime, that sounds both ineffectual and pretty dangerous in terms of government power.

Surely that kind of pressure has to come from within the Islamic community, then it would be both effective and legal. Government working with the the Islamic community to encourage moderate leaders to speak out against hatemongers seems a much more likely solution.

Man, V for Vendetta was an awesome movie!

Coming soon to a reality near you!

lol, Exactly what i was thinking!

“Remember, remember the fifth of November,
The gunpowder, treason and plot,
I know of no reason
Why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.”

Indeed.

sebster wrote:

Surely that kind of pressure has to come from within the Islamic community, then it would be both effective and legal. Government working with the the Islamic community to encourage moderate leaders to speak out against hatemongers seems a much more likely solution.

Here's a moderate

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29189095/

Typeline wrote:Man, V for Vendetta was an awesome book

Coming soon to a reality near you!

Fixed it for you...

Reminds me of the dark days of the patriot act. I always thought England was a bastion of freedom :(.

Zip Napalm wrote:

sebster wrote:

Surely that kind of pressure has to come from within the Islamic community, then it would be both effective and legal. Government working with the the Islamic community to encourage moderate leaders to speak out against hatemongers seems a much more likely solution.

Here's a moderate

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29189095/

If thats serious then you are mental. Muslims are normal people. There are no more 'Muslim leaders' than there are 'Christian Leaders'. Should all Christians be judged by the actions of those who tout themselves as Christian leaders? It's just a religion, not a military allegiance, or football team or whatever you are imagining. It's just something you pick up as part of your background, Muslims are just like everyone else - but with more Hummus, lemon, kebab etc.

In Response to the original point of the thread. Seeing as we fail to enforce the laws we do have, adding more is sort of meaningless. As things stand in England punishments are all over the place anyway, violent crimes, including manslaughter (I've watched too many American cop shows to remember what we actually call it), get softer punishments than others half the time.

Mrs ex-head of MI5 came out today and said the anti-terror laws have gone too far.

She made the very good point that if what terrorists want to do is destroy our way of life (freedom, privacy, the rule of Habeus Corpus, etc,) that is exactly what a lot of anti-terror laws do. So they are winning.

The UK is rapidly becoming a bastion of Orwellian state control of the people.

The Home Secretary's latest jolly wheeze is to create a new type of police force, answering to her rather than a non-governmental authority, equipped with similar powers of search and seizure to the HM Customs. (The Customs have much wider S&S powers than the regular police.)

Any wonder so many Englishmen (and women) are moving to Australia.
You guys even do documentary style shows about families moving over to drum up more people to move here.

Oh joy,

Censorship gone mad, they keep adding these anti terror laws soon we'll be living under the same strick rules as the muslims anyway.

Isn't there also a new law in the U.K. that forbids people from taking any photographs of police officers?

Habeas Corpus is soooo last century. who needs it to promote the rule of law, Montesquieu and other little pests to our modern politicians.

M.

olympia wrote:Isn't there also a new law in the U.K. that forbids people from taking any photographs of police officers?

Not so specifically but there is a law against taking pictures that police officers think might be helpful to terrorists.

It makes you wonder what they are going to do about the Ordnance Survey, or the A-Z.

ShumaGorath wrote:England is a hole. Its just becoming more and more of a censor state.

Shuma, I'm getting pretty tired of you coming on every thread that mentions England and having a dig. How long have you actually spent living in this 'hole'? From your posts I'd wager your only experience of the country is what you read on the interwebs every time New Labour proposes something daft. I've spent the entirety of my life in the beatific (Lonely Planet named Great Britain the most beautiful island on Earth), cultured and humour filled land of Albion, and I wouldn't live anywhere else. Your cheap jibes are childish and rude (what else would I expect from an American... ), and I'd appreciate if you kept your remarks constructive. I've mentioned this before, but still you persist in your attacks, it's rather tiresome.

On topic: Vote Lib Dem guys, please. A hung parliament leading to a Lib/Lab coalition is the best chance the UK has for a free and prosperous future, just look at all the good done in Scotland when the Liberals were given a snippet of power.

You need a first and second amendment...stat!

OT but what kind of fish is in "fish and chips?"

Frazzled wrote:You need a first and second amendment...stat!

OT but what kind of fish is in "fish and chips?"

Usually cod, occasionally haddock.

Do y'all ever eat talapia, sea bass, tuna, slamon etc. as part of that?

Zip Napalm wrote:

sebster wrote:

Surely that kind of pressure has to come from within the Islamic community, then it would be both effective and legal. Government working with the the Islamic community to encourage moderate leaders to speak out against hatemongers seems a much more likely solution.

Here's a moderate

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29189095/

Yeah. Let's all read news articles about individuals and pretend they represent every single one of the billion people that share that faith. That way we get to hate everyone and we never have to bother with actually getting to know anything.

Knowledge is over rated. Many memories and images I have I would prefer to have forgotten them.

Frazzled wrote:Do y'all ever eat talapia, sea bass, tuna, slamon etc. as part of that?

Only Rock salmon, which is dogfish.

Cod is traditional in England, and Haddock is traditional in Scotland.

You can get those other fish in the UK and different kinds of fish too at fishmongers.

Other things you get at fish and chip shops are sausages, saveloys, cod roe, and pies.

Frazzled wrote:Knowledge is over rated. Many memories and images I have I would prefer to have forgotten them.

If ignorance were as blissful as the proverb says, the internet would be a much happier place.

I think , if the internet has taught us anything, its that there are a lot more angry people out then, then we realized originally.

Fallen668 wrote:

Typeline wrote:Man, V for Vendetta was an awesome book

Coming soon to a reality near you!

Fixed it for you...

qft

Alan Moore got raped by the crapchowski brothers.

ShumaGorath wrote:England is a hole. Its just becoming more and more of a censor state.

How many threads have you said that in now?

Greebynog wrote:

Frazzled wrote:You need a first and second amendment...stat!

OT but what kind of fish is in "fish and chips?"

Usually cod, occasionally haddock.

I don't know of any chip shops serving cod anymore, its an endangered species now.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Any wonder so many Englishmen (and women) are moving to Australia.
You guys even do documentary style shows about families moving over to drum up more people to move here.

haha yeh you're right. Also note it's bunged on during the daytime when only bums and pensioners are watching and that it's funded by the Australian government

sebster wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Knowledge is over rated. Many memories and images I have I would prefer to have forgotten them.

If ignorance were as blissful as the proverb says, the internet would be a much happier place.

Oh snap!

" Big T " ?