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Im assembling them with :

weap + shield

double weapons.

Whats the normal size to field them in?

how many by how many? Thanks!

I personally would say 10 (and char on horse) with hand wpm/shield and possibly a great weapon added on.

I know a lot of people who say 0 is a great size... but I'd agree with cypher

They dont need rank bonus or anything like that? 0.o

as said, 10 and a mounted character work well.
11 + character work well too.

or, if you need a solid block dont be cheap, splash out on a maxed unit (within reason)

Lol im so confused,

Most of the other armie's blocks are like 20 - 40 + models

how are chaos warrior's so low in 10s o_o

I dont understand!

MSU tactics.

Take minimal sized units of excellent troops, saurus with spears, CWs, HE special selections, and either take the hit when charged then strike back or in the case of the HEs, hit first.

First thing we need to know is which army/ies will you be playing against, and what sized battles.

Against heavy cav armies, larger units with a nearby warshrine would be best.

Against infantry armies, eithr MSU CWs with muso or large unit would work.

Best way to work it out, as it seems you are very new to WHFB is to try it out in games.

Personally I think you are insane to take anything but HW+Shield in almost every circumstance....

Ohhh hmm. No im not new to warhammer, but the last time
i touched / gamed fantasy or 40k is around 4 years ago.
Even then i mostly just paint and watched people play.

Now im just figuring out the unit size , so i can figure out how many command groups to assemble ( so small units of 10 for example ) looks better :"P

If you go MSU, don't give them standards. Its 100 points of free fun for your opponent as he catches them.

Larger units relying on rank bonuses should almost invariably have a full command or at least muso and standard.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:If you go MSU, don't give them standards. Its 100 points of free fun for your opponent as he catches them.

Larger units relying on rank bonuses should almost invariably have a full command or at least muso and standard.

What if its for decoration purposes?

I love giving them head swaps and small conversions xD

or will it be troublesome with WYSIWYG?

So for decoration you want a unit of standard bearers?

There is a specific reason for having models modeled as command group members. As people often take similar units with different command group configurations it would be extremely bad form to run command group models when they aren't in the unit, or no command group models when they are there.

Suck it up, pick a configuration and play test it to see if it works.

Start with 10 models with command group for a unit and expand from there.

I like 12 as that's how many come in a box.

Ah, I got beat to the "0" comment. :-P

CWs are really too slow to employ as effective MSU units and too expensive for +5 CR generators. Marauders are good cheap HW/S blocks and cheap hitty MSU units (flails or GWs- Mark Of Slaanesh negates psychology problems for a bargain price). And the warshrine works just as well on them. Maybe better. For more mobile hammers, mar cav w/flails or knights are choice.

I love the CW models and fluff, but don't really see them as very effective in game. Maybe a "C" unit- okay but not great.

Uh, marauders have to pay for crap armour and are T3. Having playtested about a dozen games with them, they don't stand up to a single charge from Orcs. I kid you not, they just aren't 'ard enough. CW, with a shield, have a 3+ armour save. With a Mark of Slaanesh or Nurgle, they're VERY hard to kill indeed.

And what do you mean slow? They're just as fast as most infantry.

In general MSU armies have to have fast units to ensure they get the charge. If they dont they get eaten alive. This is because they are usually composed of T3 elves with no armor.
Chaos warriors are far far tougher and as such aren't as reliant on the charge or fancy maneuvers. They still need some but it is not as noticeable.

Ah i see.

Does 5x5 Marauder with HW / shield and 5x3 Marauder with flail work size wise?

Also have just 5 marauder horsemen unassembled , what do they usually have? spear? flail ? throwing axe?

People usually elect to give Marauder horsemen flails. They're still only T3 with no base armour save, so they're used to charge, hit something, and die. I prefer to have durable troops, so that's why I use Knights instead. They have passive S5 with their magic weapons too.

Woo , i'll never take marauder horseman if i ever played, but the new minis ( horses even ) look incredible.

I agree with most people that they are probably too expensive to run in units larger that the minimum size. plus their save of 2+ in CC will help them survive much better that other units that stay at minimum model count.

Marauder horsemen are gold.... IF you want to fill up your core choices for cheap and have decent flanking troops. With flails they will hammer most opponents that will be defending your opponent's flanks.

At the tourney I was at last week, 8 of the 32 players were WOC, every single player had 1 unit of marauder horse with flails at least (one was all cav and had 4)

What were their size / marks ?
I do like maruader horsemen but when
compared with how cool chaos knights look... *drools

'Sigh'
Honestly thsi is basic WHFB stuff....

Chaos marauder horsemen are not chaos knights.
Don't think of them as chaos knights.
Don't ever put them in a position where they need to perform like chaos knights.
Don't include them if you have an overriding hatred of the models (I think they look great)

They are a flanking unit of hard hitting fast cav.
What is the role of fast cav? I know will be your next question.
They are meant to stay on the flanks (unless you are deliberately diverting a main enemy unit on the cheap or releasing fanatics) and hammer any of your opponents flanking units/warmachines and then roll up the line of the enemy army through flank or rear charges, or march block, or capture quadrants.

Size...
What is thir role again?
That's right, it is flank harassment and light enemy unit killers.
20 models will not achieve this.
5 or 6 with a muso will.

Outfitting...
Musician only for the +1 to rally when fleeing (ideal use of fast cav is bait and flee)
Standard bearer is pointless because if you bounce (and you occasionally will it is 100pts of victory to your opponent).
Don't give them a 4+ armour save as they lose their fast cav status, the best thing about them.
Flails would be my default weapon choice BUT the throwing weapons do allow you a shooting unit, something sorely missing in the list...

Marks of Chaos...

Tzeentch... a 6+ ward save. Why? Stupid selection. 20 pts makes it super lame.

Mark Of Nurgle..... -1 to hit shooting and -1 WS of opponents. 30 points. The -1 to be hit is nice for shooting BUT very expensive for a throwaway unit.

Mark Of Khorne.... Frenzy. The extra attacks are nice and would fit in an all khorne unit BUT at 30 points it is very expensive as remember it is a flanking, throwaway unit. If I took several of these units I may take this once.

Mark of Slaanesh. Immune Fear, Terror, Panic. NOTE: NOT Immune to psychology. So you can still bait and flee. 10 points. Insanely good compared to the others due to the large number of fear causing enemies around now.

I meant to compare chaos knight and marauders esthetically and point to $ wise D:

i know they fill different roles :x
The last 2 posts were really helpful , thank you!

Yeah, marauder horse are great. Light armor and shield/spear turns them into medium cav. Flails and MoK makes them fire and forget missles. I am fond of Slaanesh flail units- fast cav that have some hitting power. Now that WoC no longer have fliers, marauder horse also fill the roll of WM hunter.

Marauders and Warriors work differently. A 4+ save in CC isn't bad and you can start start +4-5. Warriors have to spend much more to get there, even if they are far more durable. The problem is that that point cost means they are much more likely to get flanked. CR is the big obstacle for them!

Knights and, to a lesser degree, marauder horse are your hitting power, not warriors. Warriors make a solid but expensive anvil. I would rather have 3 blocks of marauders, than one pricey warrior block though.

@ jmurph
ill see your 3 blocks of marauders and raise you 3x10 warrior units,
ive adopted this style of play recently (used to run2x15) and i havent had any trouble from anyone.

Really? I would have thought that 3x10 would have major problems with cav and some dicey probability with ranked units. Light missile fire shouldn't be too bad, but handguns and the like would be a real liability. I expect you back them up with plenty of cav?

LunaHound wrote:
Woo , i'll never take marauder horseman if i ever played, but the new minis ( horses even ) look incredible.

The Marauder horsemen are fast cav as long as you don't give them light armor & a shield.

They are good with flails or throwing axes or both.