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How does the assassin weapon whose st. is 8 but compared to leadership work against orks?

I'm sure its like mind war and works as the ork codex says, by using the number of models in the unit, but I am told the DH codex specifically says it is statline leadership, so which is right?

Thanks!

This is going to turn into the same discussion we had before with Mob Rule. Whether the stat line is replaced or not.

Marius Xerxes wrote:This is going to turn into the same discussion we had before with Mob Rule. Whether the stat line is replaced or not.

I think we can get past that previous argument in that most people understand that unit's don't have a Ld characteristic, only models do. When a unit is required to take a Ld test it just uses the highest Ld value of the models in the unit, but a unit itself does not actually have a Ld characteristic.


So let's put that argument to the side for now and just assume that the mob rule replaces each Ork in the mob's Ld value. It really comes down to whether the Assassin's ability is applied before or after the Mob Rule is applied and although I don't have the wording for the culexus on hand to check, my gut instinct is that this may well be a case where to rules contradict each other with nothing indicating one or the other takes precedence over the other one, and therefore may be the case where you have to D6 it each time a Ld test is required where both rules are being utilized.


Edit: Actually, doing a quick search of this forum brought up this thread, which I agree with after reading it:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/222733.page

Ok I understand, thanks a lot!

yakface wrote:So let's put that argument to the side for now and just assume that the mob rule replaces each Ork in the mob's Ld value. It really comes down to whether the Assassin's ability is applied before or after the Mob Rule is applied and although I don't have the wording for the culexus on hand to check, my gut instinct is that this may well be a case where to rules contradict each other with nothing indicating one or the other takes precedence over the other one, and therefore may be the case where you have to D6 it each time a Ld test is required where both rules are being utilized.


Edit: Actually, doing a quick search of this forum brought up this thread, which I agree with after reading it:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/222733.page

I'm not so sure that this is exactly what he was after, Assuming he means the neural shredder of the callidus assassin which is St 8 and compared against LD instead of Toughness when wounding, there is no issue of precedence, the ork's mob rule works as per normal, making their leadership instead the number of models in the unit (but going no higher than ten) and you test the St 8 against this.

Based on the thread you linked I can only assume you had in mind the Culexus Assassin's Soulless aura.

I would run the Vindicare against non bikers so you can toast the pain boys. I have used the Cullexus which I rarely see fielded and he is a monster... psychic abomination to be exact.

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Drunkspleen wrote:I'm not so sure that this is exactly what he was after, Assuming he means the neural shredder of the callidus assassin which is St 8 and compared against LD instead of Toughness when wounding, there is no issue of precedence, the ork's mob rule works as per normal, making their leadership instead the number of models in the unit (but going no higher than ten) and you test the St 8 against this.

I agree, the Callidus doesn't have anything to prevent a model's leadership being modified so the Mob rule works as normal. Orks, not an ideal target for the Callidus I'm afraid.

Most of the assassins cant assassinate much in 40k, most of them are glorified characters and sadly against most of the current ICs, they fall very short.

Yeah it's sad, the whole concept of sniping and other assassin-y things is bunk because of poorly written rules.