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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/28 10:37:52
Subject: TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
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Sickening Carrion
Auckland, New Zealand
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Ok, TK Liche Priests don't generate power dice and don't have magic levels. They have very specific special rules which are all handled in the relevant section of the TK army book. BUT, the entry for the priest in the army list section states:
Magic: A Liche Priest is a Wizard. He always uses Nehekharan incantations.
So - miscast roll of a 5-6 for an enemy spellcaster, normally allows you to cast one of your own spells. I've played two different people in which this scenario arose, the first guy said "ok, you cast an incantation now", but the other guy said "nope, I get off the hook as you aren't a wizard". Both interpretations have their reasoning, I guess. On one hand, liche priests don't "cast spells" as it is worded in the miscast rules, but on the other hand they are classified as wizards.
But here's where it gets interesting. Hellcannon misfire roll of a 3 - All wizards immediately suffer a miscast. Maybe you read the above and thought, "yeah I agree that liche priests are wizards, their army list says so and it would make sense that the miscasting wizards 'lapse of concentration' might allow them to get an incantation off". If we've assumed wizard classification of liche priests, they would then miscast due to the hellcannon malfunction, and roll on the miscast table, something they would NEVER otherwise do due to the way incantations work.
Potentially you then get a result like a liche priest dropping a wizard level - something he doesn't have. Or, if he rolls a 12 on his miscast he'd cast an incantation with irresistable force, another normal impossibility.
Weird prospects, what does everyone think? My personal opinion: Liche priests aren't affected by a miscast roll of 5-6 (as they can't cast 'spells'), nor the hellcannon misfire result of 3.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/28 15:22:07
Subject: TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
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[DCM]
Chief Deputy Sub Assistant Trainee Squig Handling Intern
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Good question.
Also, there is a Lizardman item which can shunt a miscast onto an enemy Wizard. Would this cause a Liche to Miscast?
Their own spells don't cause them (being essentially bound spells of varying power level) but that is not to say they cannot suffer from one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/02/28 16:00:56
Subject: Re:TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
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Widowmaker
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They are like wizards who only use bound items. They are still affected by all the rules for wizards. If someone rolled a 5-6 you still get one of your 'bound item' spells off as any other army is allowed to do that as well. You should have told your opponent to suck it and fired a catapult at his general.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/01 23:58:26
Subject: Re:TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
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Regular Dakkanaut
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but then what power level does the 5/6 miscast go off at?
this is a problem i´ve been thinking about as well. not sure on the answer though
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/02 07:55:04
Subject: Re:TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
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Cloud of Flies
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Tomb Kings Army Book. Incantations Page. Massive Paragraph. It notes than you cannot get a free spell with the incantations, this refers directly to miscast table result 5-6. They are cast LIKE bound spells not ARE bound spells. The book also noted that liche priests are wizards yes, and that they can lose a spell they were trying to cast (seal of destruction), but what is used as a general rule that under any circumstances they cannot miscast as they generally do not use the winds of magic as strongerly as other races.
Other examples include the hellheart, does it affect priests? 2nd Generation Slann (B4 new rules), did they miscast on a roll of 3 on the hellcannon table?
As a professional, I say that if a miscast is put upon them from lizzies or hellcannons, then yes they suffer damage, do not lose a level, power dice or spells, do not irresistable force, can end remains in play (!) and can end the magic phase (!!)
As a TK player, I say "No miscasts at all, ya cheezy  "
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/10 04:11:40
Subject: TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
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Black Templar Recruit Undergoing Surgeries
BC, Canada
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So - miscast roll of a 5-6 for an enemy spellcaster, normally allows you to cast one of your own spells. I've played two different people in which this scenario arose, the first guy said "ok, you cast an incantation now", but the other guy said "nope, I get off the hook as you aren't a wizard". Both interpretations have their reasoning, I guess. On one hand, liche priests don't "cast spells" as it is worded in the miscast rules, but on the other hand they are classified as wizards.
As per my understanding of Nehekaran Incancations you would not be able to cast because you dont cast spells but you recite incantations
But here's where it gets interesting. Hellcannon misfire roll of a 3 - All wizards immediately suffer a miscast. Maybe you read the above and thought, "yeah I agree that liche priests are wizards, their army list says so and it would make sense that the miscasting wizards 'lapse of concentration' might allow them to get an incantation off". If we've assumed wizard classification of liche priests, they would then miscast due to the hellcannon malfunction, and roll on the miscast table, something they would NEVER otherwise do due to the way incantations work.
TK just never miscast, ever...........ever
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/13 18:22:42
Subject: TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
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Dusty Skeleton
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Unfortunately from what I've seen if you get the 5-6 result on the miscast table they can then use the Casket as their free spell :(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/15 11:02:15
Subject: TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
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Sickening Carrion
Auckland, New Zealand
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Whoops. Just read the actual GW FAQ/Errata for january and it turns out that you CAN use an incantation for miscast 5-6. It's in the magic phase section of the document.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/15 15:26:56
Subject: TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
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[DCM]
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Now we just need official word on wether or not you can make them Miscast. Personally, I'm in favor of being able to blast them; if you get the upside, you should get the downside.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/16 23:58:44
Subject: TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
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Vaul wrote:Magic: A Liche Priest is a Wizard. He always uses Nehekharan incantations.
Vaul wrote:Hellcannon misfire roll of a 3 - All wizards immediately suffer a miscast.
There really doesn't seem to be any ambiguity here at all. All wizards suffer a miscast, the Liche Priest is a wizard, ergo, the Liche Priest suffers a miscast. It doesn't matter at all that he "normally" wouldn't ever miscast, since the incantations are cast like bound spells. That would be like saying "My scroll caddy is immune to the Hellcannon misfire roll, since even though she's a wizard, she never ever casts spells, so she doesn't ever miscast."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/17 21:24:10
Subject: TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
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What about Branchwraiths using a spite? A BW isn't considered a "Wizard" unless you take the upgrade but they still get bound spells in the form of Spites.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/18 00:52:49
Subject: Re:TK Liche Priests & 'Wizard' classification
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Regular Dakkanaut
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only if they have the 50pt upgrade to become a wizard. the bound spell spites are like bound items
regarding the TK bound spell casting. what power level will it be?
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