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This question came up in our last game. The question has likely been asked before but i can't find a definitve answer. I've checked the GW FAQ's and found no mention of it either.

As per the rules a template weapon can't be allowed to hit a friendly unit. So firing from the top hatch of a rhino prohibits a template weapon being used as it will hit the rhino.

True or False.
I ask the Dear Dakka folks for their opinion and reasoning.
Please keep it civil though I think we all just want to play by the rules.

by RAW you can't fire from a vehicle where the firing port is above any other part of the vehicle for example a rhino's top hatch.

I have never seen anyone argue about this though, almost everyone seems to realise it's an oversight and allow it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/230288.page

I have seen posts regarding vehicles that fire template weapons. However I'm more interested in the occupants of those transports and wether they can fire or not.

I'm trying to remain impartial in this... As I'll be forwarding the thread to a few friends... So we can agree upon the rules.

yes they may, i dunno why your friends are having a problem with this. as i've never had a problem with this with any game i've ever played in. it's one of those no brainer things.

RAW indicates that they can't; RAI indicates that they probably can. I would personally say "go for it," but if you're going to be a real stickler on the rules, it's probably illegal.

It's always something you can bring up if somebody annoy you with RAW.

By RAW, you can never fire a flamer template period.............

"Instead of rolling to hit, simply place the template so
that its narrow end is touching the base of the model
firing it and the rest of the template covers as many
models as possible in the target unit without touching
any friendly models."

Oops, it's touching a friendly model (the model firing it!), can't be fired. BTW, I voted Yes.

The answer to the question is an unequivocal "yes". Anyone who argues this question with you deserves a sound drubbing with a dredsock.

don_mondo wrote:By RAW, you can never fire a flamer template period.............

"Instead of rolling to hit, simply place the template so
that its narrow end is touching the base of the model
firing it and the rest of the template covers as many
models as possible in the target unit without touching
any friendly models."

Oops, it's touching a friendly model (the model firing it!), can't be fired. BTW, I voted Yes.

This was what I was about to say, and that I agree its crystal clear that you can actually use the weapon without hurting yourself.

when firing from vehicles (open topped or otherwise) you fire from the vehicles hull (a rhino allows two models to fire from the vehicle) So for instance if you were firing a flamer you place the end of the flamer on the hull of your vehicle (just like if a infantry/bike model was firing it)

da gob smaka wrote:when firing from vehicles (open topped or otherwise) you fire from the vehicles hull (a rhino allows two models to fire from the vehicle) So for instance if you were firing a flamer you place the end of the flamer on the hull of your vehicle (just like if a infantry/bike model was firing it)

i must have missed that rule... the rulebook says that range and LoS is measured from the fire point so i would think this would include placement of the template. The exception is open topped vehicles, they use the hull.

da gob smaka wrote:when firing from vehicles (open topped or otherwise) you fire from the vehicles hull (a rhino allows two models to fire from the vehicle) So for instance if you were firing a flamer you place the end of the flamer on the hull of your vehicle (just like if a infantry/bike model was firing it)

Incorrect. Check the "Transport Vehicles" rules on p.66, under the heading "Fire Points". The rules for "Open-Topped Transport Vehicles" are on p. 70.

Passengers in open-topped vehicles use the hull. Fire Points for all other transport vehicles.

Its an oversight. The purpose of the rule is to stop you from flaming your own guys, not to stop you from firing out of transports. There are tons of exampls of flamer weapons that can be mounted on vehicles where the template would touch the vehicle. Combi-Flamers on CSM rhinos for example. Obviously these weapons would be allowed to fire, so there is no reason why ones from passengers wouldn't.

I agreee with drugde, even the hellhounds cannon underhangs slightly, and for the example of the rhinos firepoint on its top hatch, how exactly would a marine fire out of it, by standing and firing downward and outward, they dont just fire straight through the hull and flames dont act in a collumn with the template, they fire in a cone pattern.