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Yeah so how does this even work, first its a blast weapon coming from a squadron of vehicles. How does this work would you take 1 pinning check for all of it or would you take two pinning checks per weapon?

If you had mixed armanent say 2 war walkers with lasers and 1 with missile how would that work?

This is the situation that makes me think that you're still supposed to only take one pinning test when wounded by a unit with pinning weapons.

So when the rulebook says "when wounded by a pinning weapon" (paraphrase) it means type of weapon, rather than for each individual rifle, missile, etc. fired by the unit.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/228041.page#531122

Also

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=140942

and http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/228162.page

er okay that just creates the argument for and against stuff I dont se any official GW explanation o the INAT faq or how to work out shooting with a normal squad.

So that leaves you with two choices.
Either stop playing GW games (except some of the specialist games that actually got good rules support) or make up the missing/unclear rules yourself.

Hollismason wrote:er okay that just creates the argument for and against stuff I dont se any official GW explanation o the INAT faq or how to work out shooting with a normal squad.

Shouldn't that tell you something?

It seems you have a couple of options;

1. They take 3 Pinning checks one fore each war walker firing
2. They take 6 pinning checks or one for each template that causes a wound.
3. They take a pinning check for each wound caused.

4. They take one pinning check for the whole squad.

Ok, per rules for multiple blasts and pinning.

Multiple blasts pg 30

Resolve each shot, one at a time.... Add all the hits together then roll to wound as normal.

Pinning page 31

If a unit...suffers any unsaved wounds from a pinning weapon it must take a pinning test.

So, if you have a squad of 3 walkers with 6 ML's you resolve all 6 blasts before you even roll to wound. Once you roll to wound if any models take an unsaved wound then the target unit must take a (one) pinning test.

Yeah but its singular with the whole weapon not weapons; also it's unclear on squadrons what are the rules on firing with squadrons of vehicles.

Axyl has it right.

If one unit is firing on another unit, and the firing unit has weapons that cause pin checks, and if the target unit is wounded then a pin check is called for.

A squadron of vehicles is still a unit, once they/it are done firing upon another unit, if a pin check is required you roll a pin check.

1 check per unit forcing the check regardless of how many pinning weapons fired.
10 snipers wounding = 1 check
a unit of 3 vehicles firing 6 pinning weapons = 1 check

don't ask for a page reference as there isnt one. this answer is from several threads on the subject and an answer from GW's John Spencer.

usernamesareannoying wrote:1 check per unit forcing the check regardless of how many pinning weapons fired.
10 snipers wounding = 1 check
a unit of 3 vehicles firing 6 pinning weapons = 1 check

don't ask for a page reference as there isnt one. this answer is from several threads on the subject and an answer from GW's John Spencer.

It's also the only sane way to play. How crazy would the game be if each individual pinning weapon caused a check? It would make SM scouts good but pathfinders and war walkers would go from good to stupid broken.

Yeah but my whole deal is that its a squadron and squadron is something made of multiple squads. I dunno I guess one check is fine. ?I emailed him though about it it honestly reads as if you would take one check per weapon.

I really think what they meant by "weapon" is weapon "type." IE for a squadron with just EML's you're only causing casualties with one type of weapon: the EML, whereas with a squad of IG with a mortar and sniper rifle (I believe it can be done with light infantry doctrine) it would be two different pinning weapons, so could cause two pinning checks.

So if you want to spam your opponent with pinning checks, make your WW squadrons smaller; instead of hitting him with 6 EMLs straight up, get him with 2 WWs, then the other (which is now a separate unit).

Is that rules abuse, or just plain illegal?

Neither, Tek. It limits what other HS choices you may have in your army, and offers your opponent relatively easy KPs... so you're gaining one thing (causing lots of pinning checks) while also making some sacrifices to achieve it.

Hollismason wrote:Yeah but my whole deal is that its a squadron and squadron is something made of multiple squads. I dunno I guess one check is fine. ?I emailed him though about it it honestly reads as if you would take one check per weapon.

A squadron is not made up of multiple squads, it's made up of multiple models. It is still one unit.

squad= abbreviation for squadron. They're synonyms.

Not in the 40k rules. Maybe in real life, but not in the rules.

Really, please quote a page number.

pg 64 from the rule book:

"Some small vehicles operate in units of more than one vehicle, known as squadrons. They follow the rules for normal units."

Edit: Just as clarification, this ruling is proof that squadrons act as a single unit/squad, not as 2-3 individual vehicles. They all must fire at the same target like a normal squad, and if an enemy unit takes wounds from a pinning weapon in this squadron then they will only take one pinning test.

willydstyle wrote:Really, please quote a page number.

Thats not really possible.
But you are saying that since the two words are synonymous, every time the rules mentions a squad of something, then they mean the squad is a Squadron (and by consequence must follow the rules for Squadrons), right?

Really?

No, because the rules for vehicle squadrons obviously only apply to... vehicle squadrons.

As this is still going on.. I assume theres still a for and against - multiple pinning tests per squad.

Like Pheonix said.. if this were the case (Pro side of the argument) then tooo many units would become stupidly broken in this overpowered awesomness.

Well pinning was rather useless with only 1 test per unit in 4th, perhaps this was a deliberate test to try and make pinning worthwhile (naw!)