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Decided to stray away from basic armour and tanks, wanted a fully mobile army capable of serious damage, so heres what i have to start with:


HQ: 345

Dante - 200

Chaplin; power fist, jump pack - 145




Elite: 590

5 Honour guard; jump packs, company champion, sanguinary priest, standard with BA chapter standard, 2 power weapons - 250

5 Assault veterans; power weapon x3, storm shield x5 - 235

9 Death company; (7 free) +2 models, jump packs - 105




Troop: 935

10 Assault marines; power fist - 275

5 Assault marines; power fist - 165

5 Assault marines; power fist - 165

5 Assault marines; power fist - 165

5 Assault marines; power fist - 165




Fast: 130

Land speeder (melta) - 65

Land speeder (melta) - 65


2,000 points exact.
51 models (all with jump packs)
2 land speeders in the hope they will hurt something.

chaplin goes with the 9 death company to make sure they dont start chasing shadows.
dante goes with the honour guard.


all in all it seems like a pretty fast and hard hitting list, allthough a horde army may be a serious problem.
both dante's unit and the death company are more than capable of fighting large mobs and winning due to serious bonus's.
if they do need help then theres 4 smaller assault units able to charge in and help, while i have a 10 man one for any other problems.

C&C wanted please, but i rather keep the army as all jump packs.


only other thing i could think of was dropping the 10 man unit down to 5 man, (110 points saved) and drop 2 fists (20 more saved) then take 2 more melta speeders.

Also, a slight bonus with this list is it will be fairly cheap to buy (from ebay of course)

ill need:


dante - £7
chappy - £5

honour guard - (assault squad + command squad) - £28
assault vets - (assault squad + spare parts) £13
Death company - (converted assault marines) £26

6 assault squads - £78

land speeder x2 - £30



£187 including all postage aint bad atall for a 2,000 point army.
and its allmost all plastic (fething dante and chappy!)

and where its a small ish army i wont get bored painting it.

This looks like an army that would be very interesting to play with and/or against. I can see it struggling against competently played mechanised armies, but it's sure to be a bunch of really interesting movement phases.

thats where i rely on the great movement.
each unit has a power fist, dante is able to act as a tank hunter aswell with his pistol (counts as a melta)

i see guard being a problem though, too much armour and way too many troops.
death company would have fun though.

Wouldn't it be more tactical to take full assault squads and have the option to break them into combat squads if you felt that would be more beneficial? I would take Lemartes over the power fist weilding chaplain. I am glad to see you did not select Corbulo which is a BIG mistake for this style list. He is just too slow and saying he can successfully be escorted by a squad of running tactical Karines is utter rubbish. I think this could be a fun list to play but I also think there are more effective ways to run BA... heavy mechanization.

G

ill only take meph or dante, since meph does not fit this style, he doesent make the list

lem cant pop tanks though, the death company need to be able to kill a tank if needed, hence the PF chappy.


large units are a good idea, but then i have to pay 30 points per DC marine
each unit i take gets me a free one, so i rather take smaller units than lose my cheap DC.


on the subject of characters:

corb is gak, tyc looks great, but has gak rules.
meph and dante seem the only decent ones, if i do take lem then i will do a quick head swap since the current one looks crap.

Min squads don't work well in larger point games.

G

im thinking about making them 3, 10 man assault squads, it will cost me 60 points for more death company, but it should give more impact.
with any luck it should also save enough points to put upgrades else where like into another speeder.

I think that could work.

G

VAS's with combi weapons and meltaguns to pop the tanks, like mobile sternguardies?

One meltagun is all they need. Just make sure that every unit you take that can take melta has melta... you will be just fine.

G

you are still paying that 30 pts per DC either way in the upped price on the assault squads. take them at 10 man each so that they are stronger anyway.

With the two landspeeders being your only meltas and also the only vehicles, they will get popped quickly. Then you're going to have trouble against vehicle armies, especially AV14. I'd trash your elites and replace them with VAS squads with meltas as cmagee suggested. Extra points can then go into beefing up the Troop assault units, or more speeders.

tzeentchling wrote:With the two landspeeders being your only meltas and also the only vehicles, they will get popped quickly. Then you're going to have trouble against vehicle armies, especially AV14. I'd trash your elites and replace them with VAS squads with meltas as cmagee suggested. Extra points can then go into beefing up the Troop assault units, or more speeders.

This.

Even with the landspeeders alive, Land Raiders laugh at you all day long. With 1 melta shot a turn, you hit 2/3 of the time, pen on a 7+, so 21/36 of the time, and destroy it on a 4+, so 1/2 of the time. All this works out to being about a 20% chance per melta shot to destroy a LR, so it would take one of those speeders 5 turns on average to destroy it. This all assumes they aren't focusing down your Landspeeders (which they will, since as tzeentchling mentioned, they are both your only real tank-busting and your only non-infantry unit), and that makes it even worse. In the mean-time, the LR will be running around tank-shocking and shooting your jump infantry with no repercussions, since you can't possibly hurt it.

i count 9 power fists in my list, i think that is classed as OK anti-tank when they are jump infantry and highly mobile.


on a side note, i did another list with a very different take, need some C&C on that aswell please: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/233793.page

JD21290 wrote:i count 9 power fists in my list, i think that is classed as OK anti-tank when they are jump infantry and highly mobile.

Except that Power Fists are nearly useless against AV14 (i.e. Land Raiders), since you have a 1/6 chance to glance, and then a 1/6 chance to immobilize at the absolute best, so you would need 36 attacks to immobilize a LR.

Obviously you can handle lighter vehicles like Predators or Rhinos, but against AV14 you are in big trouble with Power Fists as your only anti-tank.

to be honest, ive kind of gone off this list allready, i miss my armour too much to just leave it behind (link in last post to the other list)

if i did take this list, then i would more than likely drop all gear on the assault vets, throw them 2 melta's.

and possibly try and make room for another unit the same.