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I'm a noob WE player, and am in an escalation league atm. We're currently at 750 paint/play points. My overall goal is to field Drycha's army when we reach the 2kpt threshold.

I have a few questions about Spites for Branchwraiths at my current level. I've just fielded two BW as my hero's, but read the section about spites restrictions in a WE Army. I've checked the WE FAQ which was just updated last month, but I didn't see this clarified.

Basically, spites can be choosen like magic items and BW have a limit of 50pts. It further states in the rule that each particular spite choice can only be chosen once in an army and each character can only have 1.

The confusion I'm having is since I'm using BW instead of Elves, it states "BW may have any number of Spites, to the limit of their allowance".

So my question is: Can I take two of the same spite in this army? I have two BW in my current army and am trying to take a Spite of Radiants on each (giving me a total of 1 extra dispell die for each BW) since I can't have more than one type of spite per character.

Drycha has a special rule that allows her to take 2 of the same spites.

Depends on the group, my group allows it as it does look to be the case, though a lot of people read the restriction in regards to any charcter taking them and apply it to the BW and TMA even though the end sentence looks to lift that restriction.

Ask your group.

first off it does not depend on your group. the only time it would depend on your group is if you have house rules changing the games workshop rules which i believe is what lord malorne´s group has elected to do.

if you read the text it says ¨each particular spite choice may only be chosen once in an army¨ the rest about numbers of spites is still subject to this sentence.

in regards to drycha, she is a special character which is why she has two custers of radiants.

No, it does depend on the group, the second part of the rule overrides the 'once per army' and has yet to be proven false.

It's my intention of fielding three BW when I get to 2k along with Drycha. I don't forsee me being a Magic heavy army just based on my own limitations, but the dispell dice would be nice, especially since I don't have access to dispell scrolls (unless I make a points sink with a glamorweave mage). I figure to have 7 dispell dice if I take Drycha, and three BW each with the spite of radiants. If not, I'll only have 3 until I reach 2k, then I'll have 4 with Drycha.

Another case of "bad wording" as it falls at the end of the rule . . . Which is why I'm asking.

I've seen battle reports with those fielding BW as taking any number of spites but wanted to make sure.

I'd call the trollz but I'd rather not . . .

@ lord malorne
the second part of the rule does not over ride the first. they both must be applied. you can´t pick and choose the rules you want to follow.

it specifically says ¨for example you can not have two models with a murder of spites in one army¨. that says MODEL not elf.

it also says you may only choose each particular spite choice once in an army. i don´t know how that can be translated to once for each branchwraith/treeman.

They are also chosen in the same manner as magic items and you are only allowed one of each magic item (except for scrolls).

yes treeman ancients and branchwraiths may have any number of spites but you still must adhere to only one of each type.

@uriels_flame. i believe the reason it hasn´t been clarified in the faq is because they do not see there to be any confusion or no one has asked them (which means no one has seemed confused enough to ask). they have however answered some fairly silly things in the faq however.

Every site I've been to tonight has stated forest spirits can take whatever and the Elves are the only ones limited in their choices.

Since most spites cost the same, I'll just make the change if I'm challenged. Otherwise, I'm taking Radiants.

This will be my first month taking two Hero's, so we'll see how the group reacts.

Also wierd OT:

Most of the Wood Elf players I've seen also play Dark Angels in 40k - as do I . . .

leighr3029 wrote:@ lord malorne
the second part of the rule does not over ride the first. they both must be applied. you can´t pick and choose the rules you want to follow.

it specifically says ¨for example you can not have two models with a murder of spites in one army¨. that says MODEL not elf.

it also says you may only choose each particular spite choice once in an army. i don´t know how that can be translated to once for each branchwraith/treeman.

They are also chosen in the same manner as magic items and you are only allowed one of each magic item (except for scrolls).

yes treeman ancients and branchwraiths may have any number of spites but you still must adhere to only one of each type.

@uriels_flame. i believe the reason it hasn´t been clarified in the faq is because they do not see there to be any confusion or no one has asked them (which means no one has seemed confused enough to ask). they have however answered some fairly silly things in the faq however.

Dead on. They are like magic items so you only get one of each per army. There is no confusion. BW's can take more than one spite because that's their thing but you aren't allowed to duplicate them.

Army builder is setup wierd then because it allows to take as many spites as you want without going into the red with like magic items. Ive never bothered in takeing muiltiple spites because it just doesnt fit my way of playing my WE. Although the thought has occured to me to give it a go and see what happens. Funny thing is i was just going to post a question about the same exact thing!!

Uriels_Flame wrote:Also wierd OT:

Most of the Wood Elf players I've seen also play Dark Angels in 40k - as do I . . .

i´m a WE player and i don´t play dark angels. i play Tau (well did. haven´t played for years)

nieto666 wrote:Army builder is setup wierd then because it allows to take as many spites as you want without going into the red with like magic items. Ive never bothered in takeing muiltiple spites because it just doesnt fit my way of playing my WE. Although the thought has occured to me to give it a go and see what happens. Funny thing is i was just going to post a question about the same exact thing!!

Army builder is wrong on tons of things

Radiants are Tree/BW only too. Overall I see both sides, though if you don't upgrade the BW to mages, then fielding this type of army only allows you 1 dispell die up to 2000pts.

Well i tried to call a troll and they no longer answer questions over the phone now you have to email em!!

Don't go with the Troll's they don't know their Ass from a hole in the ground.

The answer to the question which many other people have pointed out is that each spite is unique within the WE army and can only be taken once per army. There should be no confusion here at all.

You are definitely still only allowed one of each spite in your army. All the special rules for BW and TMA do is lift the "a character can only have 1 spite period" restriction. It just says they can take "any number of spites up to the limit of their allowance," not that they can take any number and break all the other rules about spites.

Remember that Warhammer is a permissive rule set, you aren't allowed to do anything unless the rules specifically say that you can. In this case, the rules say:

1) Only one of each spite per army
2) Only one spite per character

and then the special rules for BW and TMA say:

1) Any number of spites for this character

That removes rule 2) from above, but does nothing about rule 1)

true now that you put it that way i understand.

Agreed.

Elf characters: Max one spite each.
BW & Ancients: Multiple spites allowed, up to the points allowance.
Everyone: No repeats of a given spite in the same army.

Uriels_Flame wrote:Radiants are Tree/BW only too. Overall I see both sides, though if you don't upgrade the BW to mages, then fielding this type of army only allows you 1 dispell die up to 2000pts.

Of course. Most armies only have their two base dice if they don’t take any mages for magic defense. Forest Spirits can get up to three before upgrading BWs to L1 wizards.