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Well Im thinking of starting an Eldar Ulthwe style army. I made my first list and I wanted some feedback on it, so here it is.

HQ - Eldrad Ulthran, 5 warlock bodyguards w/ Enhance and a Spiritseer - 356 pts.
(Its my little Seer Council, its important to have with all Ulthwe armies if your going with the Ulthwe theme).

Troops - 10 Guardians w/ scatter laser and warlock w/ conceal - 135 pts.
Troops - 10 Guardians w/ scatter laser and warlock w/ conceal - 135 pts.
Troops - 10 Guardians w/ scatter laser and warlock w/ conceal - 135 pts.
Troops - 10 Guardians w/ scatter laser and warlock w/ conceal - 135 pts.

Heavy Support - Wraithlord w/ wraithblade - 100 pts.

Heavy Support - 3 War Walkers, 6 scatter lasers, and spirit stones - 195 pts.

Elites - 10 Banshee, Exarch w/ mirrorswords - 182 pts.
Transport for Banshee - Wave Serpent w/ Twin shuriken cannons, shuriken cannon, and spirit stones - 120 pts.

Total - 1493 pts.

I prefer EML's over scatter lasers. Ranged. AP4 Pinning. mid-level anti-tank. Worth the 5pts. Personal choice...

Id suggest getting embolden over conceal (or an avatar) as you should find cover in your backfield easily enough for most of the troops but when you loose the inevitable casulties, you want to be able to have some staying power. As it standards, those 40 guardains could run of the table pretty fast vs a whirldwind or two.

Give the wraithlord a shuriken cannon, atleast. Even if he does want to run virtually every turn, hes got the weapon-mount for it & it is only 10pts.

Your little seer council cannot fleet :( For a foot-based council, this isnt exactly great.

Id suggest the howling banshee exarch get the powered glaive..as a str 5 WS5 exarch with 3 attacks on a charge is just too good to pass up. Im pretty sure the glaive is better overall, even including costs. Likewise the acrobatic & warshout abilities are a mere 5pts each and for the occasion one-in-every-6 then your opponent fails his LD test on a charge and they fight you with WS1.. well worth. Acrobatic (plus thier banshee masks) means they are immune to being counter-assaulted while not engaged.

What I miss the most would be some anti-tank firepower.
The only thing you got in that list able to do so would be the council which'll have other tasks most of the time and the WL who'll never reach most vehicles for cc. Perhaps you'd think about switching two guardian squads for Stormguardians with meltas to chase tanks, solo UCM and the like. If they don't have such targets, let them support banshees and the council when outnumbered in cc.
Further on, give a weapon to the WL. What about a lance to hunt down vehicles
Just my two cents...

I agree about the lack of anti tank, some bright lances would not go a miss.

Im just doing an Ulthwe army, for pics and updates please check out my blog.

http://www.modelsnottoys.co.uk

Yeah you guys are right the lack of anti-tank and LD will definatly kill me...thanks for all the tips I will revise the list.

Ow and Razerous the seer council can fleet of foot... both the farseers and warlocks have the fleet of foot special ability.

The_HoFF wrote:
HQ - Eldrad Ulthran

He doesnt. Thus the sqaud cant fleet. Check his rules.

Ah you are correct sir...I stand corrected hahaha.
Well im going to drop Eldrad then because he is really going to slow down the seer council.

So this is Ulthwe because... of Eldrad? No Vypers, no Serpents, Defender Guardians and weapon platforms...

Not that it matters in the least. Looks like you have a solid list brewing there and if you just so happen to like black and white Eldar, go for it!

No I just love the Ulthwe theme...and I figured that I should go with a classical Ulthwe Strikeforce.

at 1750 (youll need to trim the fat and forgive me if I forget a thing or 2)

eldrath
gaurdians with a weapon platform
clowns ( I believe 10 with solitare and a few kisses)
2 wraith lords
3 war walkers
warp spiders (5)
dire avengers (10)
wave serpent
3 jet bikes
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I think Im forgetting something but this list does really well (but only if you know how to play it, fortune, guide, doom, fortune, guide, doom...you get the picture)

da gob smaka wrote:at 1750 (youll need to trim the fat and forgive me if I forget a thing or 2)

eldrath
gaurdians with a weapon platform
clowns ( I believe 10 with solitare and a few kisses)
2 wraith lords
3 war walkers
warp spiders (5)
dire avengers (10)
wave serpent
3 jet bikes
Avatar

I think Im forgetting something but this list does really well (but only if you know how to play it, fortune, guide, doom, fortune, guide, doom...you get the picture)

Too vague. Also.. I wish we could get solitares!

10mounted dire avengers are fine. Strong infact.

But with only 10-foot guardains & 3man GJS, thats very weak in terms of 'troops' at 1750. Likewise, a unit of 5 warp spyders wont do much except die then run away. Yes they are LD9, but if they take 2 casulties - they must test. Every casultie after that requires a test & if they fail these subsequent tests they cannot rally (they run of the board..unless they run into the fearless bubble from the avatar but thats beside the point)..

Sorry, just my critique.

at 2000 points I was going to drop a unit of guardians and add a unit of avengers with a serpent and a unit of dragons with a serpent, along with the already deadly banshee unit with a serpent...Ive seen some players use these units and if you can play them right it is a very hard list to beat.

Ive never really cared much for Harlequins or warp spiders and I agree with Razerous the guardian jet bikes...they are too gimpy and will be blow away to fast. I also dont really see the need for an avatar with so few guardians. Well just my personal opinion.

My Revised Ulthwe army list (Thanks everybody for the help!) Plz keep critiqueing though!!!


HQ - Farseer w/doom, fortune and spirit stones, 5 warlock bodyguards w/ Enhance and a Spiritseer - 276 pts.

HQ - The Avatar of Khaine - 155 pts.

Troops - 10 Guardians w/ Eldar missle launcher - 100 pts.
Troops - 10 Guardians w/ Eldar missle launcher - 100 pts.
Troops - 10 Guardians w/ Eldar missle launcher - 100 pts.
Troops - 10 Guardians w/ Eldar missle launcher - 100 pts.

Heavy Support - Wraithlord w/ bright lance and Eldar missle launcher - 155 pts.

Heavy Support - 3 War Walkers, 6 scatter lasers, and spirit stones - 195 pts.

Elites - 10 Banshee, Exarch w/ executioner, War shout - 187 pts.
Transport for Banshee - Wave Serpent w/ Twin shuriken cannons, shuriken cannon, and spirit stones - 120 pts.

The Avatar likes Storm Guardians better than defenders, and the army still lacks anti-armor punch, especially at 1500. You need a reliable way to deal with mech lists at this point value, and guardians with EMLs and one Wraithlord wont cut it. The Avatar can do some nasty damage, but he wont get close enough until turn 3 at least, by which point the damage will be done - and that's if you don't get tied up in melee.

True but im banking on the seer council to destroy some vehicles also...while the 5 EML's and the brightlance provide long range anti-tank fire.
5 warlocks and a farseer on the charge will get 18 str. 9 attachs against armour.

I made my Ulthwe fluffy and run without any aspect warriors.

It does really good at 1750. Don't know about 1850 or 2150pt matches though.
The one 2150 match I played was a quick pick-up game against my friends all armored BT force and just added two squads of harlies for the extrapoints. Didn't know until I started pulling the army out that he was running the All-armoured.
If I had the models I would have added another Guardian jetbike squad and some more vypers instead. Ah well, live and learn. I will say that harlies don't seem to mix well in my list.

The list is a jetbike/mechdar list. Let me know if your interested in seeing it.

Yeah I wouldn't mind seeing it.

Lochias wrote:The Avatar likes Storm Guardians better than defenders, and the army still lacks anti-armor punch, especially at 1500. You need a reliable way to deal with mech lists at this point value, and guardians with EMLs and one Wraithlord wont cut it. The Avatar can do some nasty damage, but he wont get close enough until turn 3 at least, by which point the damage will be done - and that's if you don't get tied up in melee.

4 bs 3 krak missile & one bs4 krak missile Plus a str8 lance weapon actually will be quite good agasint mechenised armies as the majority are AV11-12 as were talking about transports here. The the avatar as a melta-gun-sword-thing so he can shoot the turn before he could charge but his main role is to secure the saftey of those guardains.

The only problem this list will have, anti-armor terms is either a couple of landraiders or a monolith but the seer-council do have the ability to counter this threat, at a closer distance. (I.e better-than-melta range)

Wait, why is the seer council, up close, "better than melta range"???

I mean 18 str. 9 attachs is really good...but 6-10 str. 8 2d6 AP is flupping increadable.

Im not talking about fire dragons - who prawn* all.. im on about melta-guns vs singing spears.

While AP1 is good.. if you dont get to roll on the damage table through lack of a glancing hit then it does you no good.. So str 9 is superoir in that respect. For meltaguns to be really effective you need to be within 6" and likewise, with multi-meltas, you need to stand still & be within 12" (only if its an infantry mounted version) while you can move 6" and throw 12" at full effectiveness... Thats all I ment

* As in, heat up, cook, singe, fry, melt and basically serve as tasty smoking flesh morsels similiar to that of a cooked prawn reguardless of thier previous armorment.

Why do all the warlocks in the seer council have enhance? The ability isn't cumulative so you only need one with enhance, I'd give one conceal and the others Destructor, that's 3 template attacks with S 5 AP 4. Good right before an assault.