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If you took that avatar for the purposes of hiding it out of line of sight, didn't offer to measure LOS as if it was the correct size (yeah, for what the rules are now, and why it has a large model now), I just wouldn't play you.

Gwar! wrote:As said many many times before, if you are gonna be a douche in a friendly game, just because they are following the rules, even if it has a newer model, that's your problem. The rules dont say "oh and if there's a different model that is bigger, use that one as a reference for LoS" it says "use true Los"

In a tournament (assuming no house ruleage to the contrary), its 100% legal, you are under no obligation to measure LOS to hight of the new model, and to be annoyed by it makes you the asshat.

I'm not serious enough about my toy soldiers to play in tournaments.
Sure, the model is legal. After all it is an avatar miniature. They don't have to measure height to the new model. I don't really have a problem with using old models in general. But if you seek out and use an old, smaller model, just to get a game advantage, then I just don't care about it as much as you, and I won't play you.
Being annoyed by someone using modeling deliberately to gain a significant advantage does not make me an asshat. You suggesting that I am an asshat makes you an asshat.

Hellfury wrote:Given the random nature of the avatar from this edition, as has been said by a poster earlier he can take many forms, from man sized being to a full blown titan sized monster.

I am not sure what the comparison will prove towards using the older model in the newer editions, but there you go.

To me this suggests that while the old model would have been appropriate a lot of the time as you could roll to have him be man or ogre sized, for which the old one would work, but the new version is "always big all the time", so the old model does not represent this well.

I think the thing is that the current avatar is pretty impossible to totally hide behind something, like a tank or building. With the old it's possible.