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post anything that needs to be changed or opinions on what is/would be effective and whats not please and thanks... the more critisim the better

its a horde, shoota hybrid list

Big Mek 35pts.
Shokk Attack Gun 60pts.
Bosspole 5pts.
100pts.

Big Mek 35pts.
Burna 20pts.
Kustom Force Field 50pts.
Attack Squig 15pts.
Bosspole 5pts.
125pts.

Lootas x15 225pts.
225pts.

Shoota Boyz x20 120pts.
Big Shoota x2 10pts.
Nob 10pts.
Power Klaw 25pts.
Bosspole 5pts.
170pts.

Shoota Boyz x20 120pts.
Big Shoota x2 10pts.
Nob 10pts.
Power Klaw 25pts.
Bosspole 5pts.
170pts.

Trukk Boyz x11 101pts.
Nob 10pts.
Power Klaw 25pts.
Bosspole 5pts.
Red Paint 5pts.
Rokkit Launcha 5pts.
151pts.

Trukk Boyz x11 101pts.
Nob 10pts.
Power Klaw 25pts.
Bosspole 5pts.
Red Paint 5pts.
Rokkit Launcha 5pts.
151pts.

Trukk Boyz x11 101pts.
Nob 10pts.
Power Klaw 25pts.
Bosspole 5pts.
Red Paint 5pts.
Rokkit Launcha 5pts.
151pts.

Deffkoptas x2 70pts.
Twin-Linked Rokkit Launchas 20pts.
90pts.

Big Gunz 20pts.
20pts.

Killa Kan 35pts.
Grotzooka 10pts.45pts.

Deff Dread 75pts.
Kustom Mega Blasta 15pts.
Rokkit Launcha 10pts.
100pts.

1498pts.

as you can tell a few things were just tossed in at the end for some fun (killa kan and big gun) let me know wat you think

just want to see if this signature works

For the Kan don't have a unit of one it'll get killed so fast, also Kans are you relaible heavy support, they hit on 4's. Instead of wasting it on a blast template on it equpi with a KMB or a rokkit lancha. The Dred either switch out the two weapons for Burnas or extra CC weapons. Make sure the Koptas are in seperate units. GEt rid of of the rokkit lancha on the Trukk Boyz it's barely going to hit. Give the two Big Meks 'Eavy Armour for some sort of a save especally on the KFF one.

Your main problem is with your troops. The Trukkboyz will get in the way of the Shootas. You can't shoot into CC.

seems sturdy but you cant list the points for every upgrade gw is cray with stuff like that

yea sorry i make all my lists in word and i wasnt thinking and just copied it over...

I'd say keep the grotzooka, but have a bigger mob of kanz. I recently played a game against guardsmen, and had 3xkanz with grotzookas, you have no idea how fun it is dropping 6xS6 AP5 blast templates on top of a squad of guardsmen per turn.

Maybe ditch the big gunz (seem a bit of an afterthought) and ditch the powerklawz on the shoota boy nobz and give the nobz shootas (yes it is possible), these are your shooty units so they are not going to be used in combat much and the 50pts you are spending on the klawz could be better spent elsewhere (like another kan, for example)

just my opinions lol

drop the rokkit laucnchas from the trukk mobz.
drop the big gun.

make the kopta unit up to 3.


drop the dreads KMB and rokkit launcha (he will never hit anyone)
get him 2 skorchas instead.

free up the point to make the kan unit 3 kanz with grotzookas.

JD21290 wrote:

make the kopta unit up to 3.

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I disagree.

I only run my Koptas in groups of 2. First, they can never be below 1/2 strength, so the can always regroup. Second, squads of size of 2, 3 and 4 all have to make a morale check after losing just one Kopta; by only using a group of 2, you lose fewer points/koptas if they run (LD7 can be a pain).

Big Mek 35pts.
Shokk Attack Gun 60pts.
Bosspole 5pts.
100pts.

going with the lootas? if so then good, if not drop the BP. give him eavy armor

Big Mek 35pts.
Burna 20pts.
Kustom Force Field 50pts.
Attack Squig 15pts.
Bosspole 5pts.
125pts.

too much crap on the KFF mek, seems like you have him tooled for CC but you dont want your KFF in CC. give him eavy armor and cybork

Lootas x15 225pts.
225pts.

k

Shoota Boyz x20 120pts.
Big Shoota x2 10pts.
Nob 10pts.
Power Klaw 25pts.
Bosspole 5pts.
170pts.

Shoota Boyz x20 120pts.
Big Shoota x2 10pts.
Nob 10pts.
Power Klaw 25pts.
Bosspole 5pts.
170pts.

good

Trukk Boyz x11 101pts.
Nob 10pts.
Power Klaw 25pts.
Bosspole 5pts.
Red Paint 5pts.
Rokkit Launcha 5pts.
151pts.

Trukk Boyz x11 101pts.
Nob 10pts.
Power Klaw 25pts.
Bosspole 5pts.
Red Paint 5pts.
Rokkit Launcha 5pts.
151pts.

Trukk Boyz x11 101pts.
Nob 10pts.
Power Klaw 25pts.
Bosspole 5pts.
Red Paint 5pts.
Rokkit Launcha 5pts.
151pts.

save the rokkits for something thats going to shoot them, your trukks will last 2 rounds tops and they will be going to fast to shoot

Deffkoptas x2 70pts.
Twin-Linked Rokkit Launchas 20pts.
90pts.

make it 3

Big Gunz 20pts.
20pts.

drop this

Killa Kan 35pts.
Grotzooka 10pts.45pts.

Deff Dread 75pts.
Kustom Mega Blasta 15pts.
Rokkit Launcha 10pts.
100pts.

drop the dred, add 2 kans, make them rokkits for AT or zooka's for horde hunting, mixing and matching with kans is generally a bad idea but taking advantage of the BS 3 is always a good idea

thanks everyone for all the advice i will fix up the list in the morning and post it again