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What do you guys think about the Terror mechanic in WotR?

Coming from a WHFB background, I naturally assumed that terror canceled out- that is, if a terror-causer wanted to charge another terror-causer, it could just charge, and the recipient of the charge didn't have to take a test either.

But I was playing someone this afternoon who didn't bring that assumption to the table. When my Ent wanted to charge his troll, he asked me to take a courage test, since his troll caused terror. I pointed out that my Ent also caused terror, and he asked why that mattered. I laid out the bit about terror cancelling out, and he said he couldn't find that in the rules. So I looked, and I couldn't find anything that implies a terror-causing creature is immune to terror.

So, how does it work? If an Ent wants to charge a troll, does the Ent have to pass a courage test? And then, if the charge is successful, does the troll have to take a courage test or have its fight value reduced to 0? Or have we missed something? (If so, a page reference would be appreciated.)

Yeah no kidding, this is sticky.

At first everyone reading (tons of WHFB players here by the way) thought it best to simply cancel each other out.

But using your example, it may be possible that just because they both share the terror rules doesn't mean that they wouldn't inflict terror on the other creature.

The charging ent could indeed be forced to roll a courage test, and if passed (allowing the ent to charge) then the troll could be forced to make the same check to see if its stat isnt reduced to 0.

Keep in mind we havent played it yet, so my playing devils advocate in favor of not cancelling it out maybe misapplied, but its worth a try to see how well it plays out. Otherwise I say just cancel them and get on with the game for the sake of less arguments.

I can see this being made into an errata or FAQ if they ever get to that point.

I have found nothing that would cause it to cancel out either. Fortunately most things that cause Terror have a high Courage.

I've also encountered this problem.... I keep forgetting I'm playing a new game.

While there are lots of mechanics in this game that are 'hey yeah... I recognize this...', this is still a different and new rules system.

Terror does NOT cancel out terror in WOTR. That being said; most Terror causing things are Courage 5-6... meaning chances are it's never going to matter.

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agreed. Unless corrected by GW both have to take tests.

It was the same in my demo Game on launch day. Mind you, neither myself or my opponent were WHFB players, so we probably benefitted from not making assumptions about the rules!

In WHFB, terror cancels terror, because there is a specific rule that states this.

In the SBG and WotR, Terror does not cancel each other out, because there is no specific rule that allows this.

In fact there is an FAQ for the SBG that clarifies that terror doesn't cancel out.

dvdhwk wrote:In WHFB, terror cancels terror, because there is a specific rule that states this.

In the SBG and WotR, Terror does not cancel each other out, because there is no specific rule that allows this.

In fact there is an FAQ for the SBG that clarifies that terror doesn't cancel out.

Yup, therfore you'll have the same situation as you have in SBG. Terror-causing Elf heroes meet Ringwraiths, both have to take Courage tests for Terror. Which isnt a problem for the Nazgul so much, but they cause -1 Courage (Ancient Evil rule) within 18" so the Elf's high Courage is reduced to the point where they almost have the same chance of failing as Men or Dwarves - consider the implication for WOTR Good thing that it's not cumulative, if it were then even 4 of the 9 together would be nigh unchargeable and if they were to charge in WOTR they would nearly always reduce their opponents fight score to zero!

Thank goodness the rules writers saw that one and speciifically ruled out accumulation

The Ringwraiths do not have Ancient Evil in WotR. Looks like WHFB players aren't the only people who are going to have to drop some assumptions.

@dvdhwk: can you point me to this FAQ? I have browsed through all the Errata/faq's on the GW website, I must have missed it.

Considering the other things Courage is used for, it would be a really powerful ability.

Fellblade: I was technically incorrect. The clarification was not in any of the official FAQ's. It's contained on p. 2 of Warhammer World's LotR GT House Rules found here:
http://warhammerworld.typepad.com/warhammer_world_news/files/microsoft_word_the_lord_of_the_rings_house_rules_document_gt_2008_v1.5.pdf

And no, RW's don't have the Ancient Evil rule in WotR, which makes me really sad, but I think Da Boss is correct, considering how mch more often Courage is used in WotR than in the SBG.