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I'm fairly new to IG and 40k entirely, so I'm here to ask whether some strategies I've came up with would be worth it, and discuss other strats.

I don't know the statlines or anything for alot of the new tanks, and most of the new special characters, so I'm in the dark on that.

As for strategy, currently I was planning on investing in a full squad of Grey Knight Marines, for a lil 'anti-everything.' I know they're expensive as hell (about 325 for a full squad) but it's about the same, if not more for a full platoon lol, and in some cases, these 10 marines might last longer than the whole platoon, and they're technically cheaper than Ogryns and once again will most likely last longer... So does that sound like a good idea of allied-forces usage there?

And for tanks, currently I have LRBT with HB spons and LC hull, and a Demolisher with HB spons+hull, and HS pintle. What do you guys think I should invest in for future tanks? I'm personally thinking of getting an Eradicator (I may not know the stats, but it sounds cool. Which is a lame way to do things, but oh well) and I'm sure that'll change once I see the actual profiles of the tanks.

I'm also set on getting a MoO, and possibly Captain Chenkov (never-ending Conscripts?)

I'm personally loving chimeras. I plan on running a highly mechanized list and the chimera adds in a lot of fire power for its cost. For 65 points (HS upgrade) you can be pumping out 9 shots a turn in addition to the squads firing until the enemy gets close and then hop in and drive away. While not the best armored tanks, the fact that you can get so many of them means you can swarm the enemy with armor. Combining a lot of chimeras with nastier tanks like hellhounds and leman russes and you can overwhelm your opponent. I'm thinking of making a chimera phalanx were each chimera's side is protected by another chimera, and putting leman russes on the ends. Prevent the enemy from getting easy side shots for the first couple turns and then you can smash into his lines with repeated tank shocks when he has trouble killing all of your tanks.

Now that probably won't work all that well(too many fearless things that don't care if you're a tank), but you can't fault a guy for dreaming....

haha, kudos for the creativity, but that would also cost a ton of points, even though chimeras are cheap, but to make them *fully* worth it, I'd need several HWs/SWs, and if they run into a happy-go-lucky dice roller, they're pretty much SOL and FUBAR'd haha

I do like the idea for tank shocks though. Maybe a Demolisher on each end (SAV14), and use the Ordnances for the extra... *mmph* lol

With five heavy weapon squads per platoon, it seems like having platoons with two normal squads and a full five heavy weapon squads is going to be pretty sweet.

You can cover the table with grunts without giving up your tanks now.

My army will have at least three Valkyries which I'll basically use to drop off speed bumps. At 16 points a model, Storm Troopers are a waste of time. You're better off with GK's, or sisters, or just a mountain of guardsmen.

The Russ with the heavy 20 turret could be fun, but I'll probably stick to pie plates for crowds of nids and orks. The instakill factor of a normal Russ turret gives it an edge. I never liked Vanquishers because trading 24" of range for STR 10 always seemed like a bad swap. There's the one tank with the five Plasma Cannon shots which could be really nasty with the tank character that gives +1 BS and +1 to your armor if you don't move.

I might take carapace veterans only because I have lots of Storm Trooper models which I like the look of. They can be put in a Valkyrie with three Meltas for tank hunting duty or given a heavy weapon and stuck on a hill for BS 4 sniping.

Those are my thoughts...

There is a 57 page thread in the News&Rumors section that you should read. It covers [exhaustively] many of the paradigm changes facing IG players going fom 4e to 5e.

Psychic Choir will be the IG's new best friend, and will crush Nob Bikers, Kairos/Crushers Daemon Bomb, and certain Lash builds.

Heavy Weapon squads are significantly more vulnerable now that they're 2-wound models. Even in cover 2 S6 wounds will kill 1/3 of your squad and force Ld at Ld7.

Tank Squadrons are significantly more durable than first suspected; expect to see squads of 1 expensive and 1 ablative tank equipped with a camo net for 3+ saves. They are still vulnerable to multiple simultaneous penetrating hits, however this is hard to accomplish outside of melta range.

Vendettas *ARE* as good as they look, although acting as a fire base will limit their transport utility.

IG is still GuysandTanks; forget about Ogryns and Stormtroopers.

HWS are more vulnerable to S6+ multishot weapnons (mulilasers, assaultcannons, ect), but at 75points, triple Autocannon HWS are still a good value imo. If need be, you can stick them in a chimera (they're scoring) for protection.

I can't see taking Lascannon HWS though, I think you're better off with a Vendetta.


Psychic Choir will change the game, it is our Lash.

Seconded, the rumor that the chimera has 5 firepoints makes a lot of people think about a HWS in a chimera. An autocannon HWS in that chimera could potentially pump out, 6 str7, 3 str 6, 3 str 5, 3 str4 shots a turn. Or 15 shots for 140 points. Personally I would rather take a russ, or a vendetta but it is something to think about.

If need be, you can stick them in a chimera (they're scoring) for protection.

And unfortunately lose a round of shooting in the process, since they can't take their own chimera and can't deploy inside someone elses.

I think one thing that will bite IG players is the footprint of these squadrons of tanks and vendettas everyone wants to take. Spearhead is gonna suck when you gotta find room for 6+ tanks, several baneblade sized flyers and your 100ish infantry models.

Not when you deploy at the far end of the table and capitalize on your 48"+ guns to lob death at your opponent while he marches forward eating Colossus shells.

The only real deterrent is out flank---oh wait, we have the only unit in the game that makes the "other guy" subtract from reserves and reroll table edge! Lulz!

Personally, I would rather have a PCS w/ 4 GL in a chimera, being able to fire on the move (start in the chimera), give orders and be scoring.

HWS are fragile, but with good target saturation, I am sure your opponent will have their hands full dealing with LRBTs, Chimeras, Flyers, and suicidal infantry charges, to throw that much firepower at HWS. And if they really poor into a HWS, you can always G2G

Like I said, the only HWS I will take will be triple AC squads, at 75pts, it's a really nice price (down 20 points from current dex). Yes, you can take a Hydra for the same points, but Hydras take up a Heavy slot and they're not scoring.


For a static firebase squad, for 75pts you can either take an Infantry Squad w/ a AC/PG, or a HWS w/ 3 AC. Yes the Infantry Squad can take more hits before you loose guns, but imho, a mix of AC/PG & 3AC HWS would make a nasty firebase

BoxANT wrote:Like I said, the only HWS I will take will be triple AC squads, at 75pts, it's a really nice price (down 20 points from current dex). Yes, you can take a Hydra for the same points, but Hydras take up a Heavy slot and they're not scoring.

Heavy Weapon Squad, though, doesn't get to ignore the cover saves provided by skimmers moving fast and turboboosting bikes...

I'm with BoxANT on this one. You can easily fit 2-3 75 point AC squads to sit on your backfield objective. It's cheap, scoring, a lot of shots, and outranges most weapons that aren't specifically antitank. If the really dangerous fire comes your way, just go to ground for the 3+.

I've also been thinking about the uses for the orders. The Incoming! order is a lot neater than I originally thought, as it allows you to Go to Ground and still fire the turn afterwards. It seems like a really good order for SWS or Veterans that are waiting for an assaulting enemy to get into range. You just give up the current shooting phase when the enemy is out of range to get 2 points of extra cover save in your enemy's shooting phase. Your next turn the squad is up and at 'em again. That seems potentially useful for those melta vets.

I don't remember reading that about incoming. If that's true, then you could even reduce the effectiveness of templates on your 50-man blob platoon by giving them the same order. Most of your army will get cover from shooting for only 1 order, right?

I'd also never considered the 3 heavy weapons in a chimera option - turning a chimera into a pillbox sounds pretty beastly even with one lost round of shooting - maybe there's a rule that only 1 heavy weapon can be used out the hatch.

Biophysic wrote:I've also been thinking about the uses for the orders. The Incoming! order is a lot neater than I originally thought, as it allows you to Go to Ground and still fire the turn afterwards. It seems like a really good order for SWS or Veterans that are waiting for an assaulting enemy to get into range. You just give up the current shooting phase when the enemy is out of range to get 2 points of extra cover save in your enemy's shooting phase. Your next turn the squad is up and at 'em again. That seems potentially useful for those melta vets.

If that is indeed true, I will definitely be abusing that order a lil bit haha. Chances are they'll make rules saying you can't use for HWS/SWS though...

And also, are we able to issue an order to allies, as long as they're within ordering range? Like the GKs I mentioned.

Right, but you are limited to the total number of orders that can be issues. I have a feeling that "bring it down" and "go go go" will be the go to orders.

sourclams wrote:Not when you deploy at the far end of the table and capitalize on your 48"+ guns to lob death at your opponent while he marches forward eating Colossus shells.

The only real deterrent is out flank---oh wait, we have the only unit in the game that makes the "other guy" subtract from reserves and reroll table edge! Lulz!

Any word on whether it is possible to double up on this guy? So if I take two command squads each with master of the fleet does the other guy get -2 to reserve rolls? If so this could be pretty disgusting (and I will certainly be using it).

foil7102 wrote:Right, but you are limited to the total number of orders that can be issues. I have a feeling that "bring it down" and "go go go" will be the go to orders.

Yep, my thoughts exactly. Though I've been trying to think about how some of the orders can interact when you roll double 1's. I'd heard from someone who'd seen the codex say that you can't run twice and you can't shoot twice and that you have to follow through on the order immediately after it's given. I'm not sure, though, if you can use orders to run then fire or vice versa. Consequently, while I know that if you roll double 1's, you can't use BiD! and then FRFSF, but can you do BiD! or FRFSRF and then GGG? Or will you be limited to doing 'Go to Ground' (G2G) as your only choice of a second order when you roll double 1's?

I'd still go for Stormtroopers if you fight a *lot* of MEQs. Having a lot of AP3 can win you the day.

But maybe I'm just a fan of the models.

Death By Monkeys wrote:

BoxANT wrote:Like I said, the only HWS I will take will be triple AC squads, at 75pts, it's a really nice price (down 20 points from current dex). Yes, you can take a Hydra for the same points, but Hydras take up a Heavy slot and they're not scoring.

Heavy Weapon Squad, though, doesn't get to ignore the cover saves provided by skimmers moving fast and turboboosting bikes...

Fast Skimmers still get taken out by AC HWS rather well, despite the 4+ save.

Hellhounds and Eradicators are better against Nob Bikers imo, because the Hydra still allows the Nobz to take their normal 4+ cover save (just removes the 3+ for turboboosting).

If you have a spare Heavy slot, then I wouldn't mind throwing a Hydra in there, but I think most people would rather take a LRBT than a hydra.

Is it just me or is anyone else hearing about a lot of people who have dreams of setting up 10+ tanks and then just flattening their opponent. I hate to tell them this, but manuvering armor in this game takes a lot of skull sweat. You have to constantly keep in mind ranges, LOS, potential loss of manuver due to a stunned, immobilized, destroyed tank. Not saying that it will not be powerful, Just not nearly as auto win as nob bikers, or dual lash.

foil7102 wrote:Is it just me or is anyone else hearing about a lot of people who have dreams of setting up 10+ tanks and then just flattening their opponent. I hate to tell them this, but manuvering armor in this game takes a lot of skull sweat. You have to constantly keep in mind ranges, LOS, potential loss of manuver due to a stunned, immobilized, destroyed tank. Not saying that it will not be powerful, Just not nearly as auto win as nob bikers, or dual lash.

Well it's certainly far from a no brainer but I've been playing Mech Guard since 4th ed and I am jumping for joy at the thought of being able to just keep my guys inside the tanks and still firing effectively (and all without making my Chimeras open topped). It will be MUCH easier to maneuver without all those squishy guardsmen getting in the way.

I doubt we'll see more than 4-5 Russes in a list with regularity. 150 point tanks eat up a list really quickly.

Griffin (for targeting) + Colossus + Colossus
Screen with them Russes...

Saves some points, very killy.

Ok, today I got my squad(s) of GKs, and the GW shop luckily had the preview dex copy in, and some of the LR variants I liked alot(aside from the Plasma tank, an obvious choice) I really, and I mean REALLY enjoyed the idea of the Punisher. S5 AP- Heavy 20, toppled with 2 HB spons, 1 HB hull, a HS pintle, and maybe use the Tank Sergeant spec char with it. 32 good shots at BS4 from a single tank could very well possibly take out an entire squad? I also liked the Eradicator, and the Colossus. As well as Medusa, with the breacher shells. And I love the 'Lumbering Behemoth' rule, now I can't get jipped out all my weaponry. SO MANY OPTIONS!!! I'm gunna start calling the new dex "guardgasm" (for obvious reasons)

Incoming! says that the squad cannot act normally till the end of the player's following turn. I read that as no firing, just hiding.