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More focus on making SW players get close and/or assault.

In a shooting edition.

Yay!

On a discussion note, it looks like SW force weapons might be Ap3 no matter how modeled since they have special abilities again.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Super Newb wrote:
Yeah it's not like living lightning was overpowered before. Oh well I guess it would be ok in a pod list now. Still if wolves can still take from biomancy I'd probably use that tree instead

At first I thought this, then realized you'd need to trade a special weapon and a plasma pistol. So your losing 3 s7 ap2 for 3 s7 ap- that need to be successfully cast in addition to fired.

I don't know. How the new GHs squads work. Need ten of them for two special weapons? Or 9 plus the upgrade wolf guard character? If so you are right. I suppose the RP can be put in a pod with A Wolf Guard squad, but in that case more combi weapon WG instead would be a more efficient use of points. Still some sort of HQ has to be taken in a pod list...

JotWW does not surprise me at all. Did people really think it would not be nerfed to hell?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
JotWW does not surprise me at all. Did people really think it would not be nerfed to hell?

I'm more surprised they brought it back at all after axeing all the unique powers for BA, GK and SW in the FAQs.

It's not really a big deal for me personally as I can count how often I used Jaws in the last two years on one hand.

I'm more annoyed with the changes to Living Ligntning and Murderous Hurricane.

I couldn't honestly believe Murder-whatever. Then I looked at the GW site. Wow. Fail. How far back was the proverbial shark jumped?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I couldn't honestly believe Murder-whatever. Then I looked at the GW site. Wow. Fail. How far back was the proverbial shark jumped?

You mean you couldn't believe that thing that had already been definitively been proved before you looked at the site?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I couldn't honestly believe Murder-whatever. Then I looked at the GW site. Wow. Fail. How far back was the proverbial shark jumped?

it does really feel like they've been spending too much time in bad fanfic binges and late night parody threads looking for new ideas doesn't it?

 Bulldogging wrote:
More focus on making SW players get close and/or assault.

In a shooting edition.

Yay!

On a discussion note, it looks like SW force weapons might be Ap3 no matter how modeled since they have special abilities again.

Every time they do stuff like this it makes me seriously question the devs, having tried assault units in a recent army and failed repeated 5" charges I can whole heartedly say that unless you're beasts or borderline invincible dedicated assault is worthless.

Justyn wrote:

"Holy crap, it looks like frost blades now give +2S instead of +1!"

1 for it being an Axe, 1 for it being Frost. Pretty sure Frost Swords will still just be +1 STR.

The reason I say this is because since at least 3rd ed, Logan's axe has counted as either a frost sword or a power fist - player's choice. The axe's profile in the leaked image shows the two-handed version as identical to a powerfist and one-handed version as being S+2 AP3. It's not using a frost axe's profile since it's AP3 and not unwieldy. Now it's certainly a possibility that GW just went and gave the axe a totally unique profile, but considering that it's otherwise unchanged since its 3rd ed incarnation, I'm willing to bet that this means that our frost weapons are now just as strong as relic blades.

 Malthor wrote:
Ulrik the Slayer
- 145 pts
- WS 6, I5, A3
- confers FNP 6+ to unit
- gives preferred enemy in 6"
- confers stubborn in 6"

Yay, it looks like they fixed Ulric!

 Malthor wrote:

Ulrik the Slayer
- 145 pts
- WS 6, I5, A3
- confers FNP 6+ to unit
- gives preferred enemy in 6"
- confers stubborn in 6"

While I'm pretty sure that's just the "saga/warlord" Ulrik has, I would love it if Wolf Priests gave FNP even at just 6+

Oh no, no Eternal Warrior? Suck it. See now what it feels like to be a chaos lord.

Lot of new codex info on grot orderly

http://grotorderly.blogspot.co.uk/

we need some good translator ASAP

Wolf Scouts are 14 pts? WTF!?

Spanish is not my strong suit but it appears wg pack leaders can get terminator armor.

Also GHs have a two point upgrade which must be the CCW option


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Someone who actually knows Spanish needs to translate that dark GH rules entry picture

Vend read is 25 and axe/shield is 25. Woot!

Super Newb wrote:
Spanish is not my strong suit but it appears wg pack leaders can get terminator armor.

Also GHs have a two point upgrade which must be the CCW option


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Someone who actually knows Spanish needs to translate that dark GH rules entry picture

I will now.

Man, points drops across the board! Bjorn is 220 and harald 190.

Grey Hunters
5-10 per unit, 14ppm

Wargear
Power Armour
Bolt Pistol
Bolter (Grey Hunter Only)
Grenades
CCW (Wolf Guard Pack Leader Only)

Special rules
Counterattack
ATSKNF
Acute Senses


CCW are 2ppm
1 per squad may take a power weapon at 15ppm or Power fist at 25ppm
One GH can replace his Bolt Pistol for a plasma pistol 15ppm
For every 5 models, one may take a Special weapon.
One GH may become a WG Pack Leader 15pts
1 GH per detachment may take what I can only assume is a Wolf Banner/Standard. Can't make it out properly.
The WGPL may take weapons from the Melee Weapons and Ranged Weapons lists and may take Melta Bombs.
The WGPL may exchange his BP, CCW, PA and Grenades for TDA, Stormbolter and Power Weapon.
A WGT Pack Leader may take only from the Terminator Weapons.
May take a Rhino, Razorback or Drop Pod or Stormfang Assault Craft

 Deadshot wrote:
Ok, so the unit comes with Bolters and BP standard, power armour, Frag and Krak. The WG Pack Leader gets a CCW instead of a bolter.

Special rules are Counterattack, ATSKNF and Acute Senses.

5 models per unit, can take 5 additional ones. 14ppm
There's a 2ppm upgrade I can't make out that must be the CCW upgrade.
1 per squad may take a power weapon at 15ppm or Power fist at 25ppm
One GH can replace his Bolt Pistol for a plasma pistol 15ppm
For every 5 models, one may take a Special weapon.
One GH may become a WG Pack Leader 15pts
1 GH per detachment may take what I can only assume is a Wolf Banner/Standard. Can't make it out properly.
The WGPL may take weapons from the Melee Weapons and Ranged Weapons lists and may take Melta Bombs.


The WGPL may exchange his BP, CCW, PA and Grenades for TDA, Stormbolter and Power Weapon.

A WGT Pack Leader may take only from the Terminator Weapons.

May take a Rhino, Razorback or Drop Pod. No Stomrfang Assault Craft.

YAY! I don't have to remodel except for the WGPL!

I'm gonna translate the rest now, Dreadnoughts first.

Soooooo much information... too late to digest it all tonight!

Harald Deathwolf's rules looks rather... dull. I'd be interested to see if a cheeky translation reveals anything of interest there. 190pts though, so discount Thunderwolf Lord to help push sales of the Finecast model?

Is that 12pts per model for Blood Claws, and capping out at 15 (with or without a WGBL?), yet 14pts per model for Wolf Scouts, with no Behind Enemy Lines?

Skyclaws at 15pts per model... Grey Hunters with 2pts per model, almost certainly the CCW additional.

Required 2 HQ choices pretty much kills small 600pts games in my local GW, (not a problem, just saying!)

Only 4 Long Fangs and an Ancient to a squad by the image? Thank God that Ancient has 2A though... so useful and a great swap, blergh.

GAH! THE ONE THING I CANNOT SEE IS WHETHER WOLF GUARD TERMINATORS CAN TAKE SINGULAR SPECIALIST WEAPONS! Damn you teasing leaks, why did I do this to myself?!

Obvious Exalt for the poor sucker who translates this for us first

 Deadshot wrote:
I'm gonna translate the rest now, Dreadnoughts first.

Thank you so much!

Dreadnought 95pts

Wargear
MM
Power Fist with Built in Storm Bolter
Searchlight

Can take from Dreadnought weapons list.
Can swap PF for
Wolf Claw (retain SB) 5pts
Missile Launcher 10pts
Twin Linked Autocannon 15pts
Can swap SB for Heavy Flamer 10pts
Take Extra Armour 10pts
Smoke Launchers 5pts
Can upgrade to Venerable Status 25pts
One Venerable Dreadnought (must be Venerable, one per army) can swap their MM and PF+SB for the Axe of Fenris and Blizzard Shield. 25pts
May take a Drop Pod

Next is Bjorn.

 Medium of Death wrote:
There's far too many people that are positive about this abomination.



I'm living in a cuckoo clock!

GoDz KI11JOY x wrote:

Leave it alone mate, if you don't like other peoples opinions then just leave, it is not hard.

jab4962 wrote:

People's opinion on a model that you happen to dislike shouldn't offend you.

Not to drag this up, but I just wanted to say that while I do dislike the model I was expressing my surprise at how many people actually like it. The picture of Homer and the quote should entail that I wasn't being terrible serious with my comment. I don't think I was offended. I'll still be around, let me know when you guys get the sticks out of your ass.

 pretre wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I couldn't honestly believe Murder-whatever. Then I looked at the GW site. Wow. Fail. How far back was the proverbial shark jumped?

You mean you couldn't believe that thing that had already been definitively been proved before you looked at the site?

Actually, it's cuz I think Space Wolves (in their current iteration) look like clown shoes, and mostly stayed out of the thread (missed the confirmations). Finally looked it up on google and it pulled me right to the GW site.

Bjorn

220pts, Saga of Majesty.

Wargear
Assault Cannon
Smoke Launchers
Searchlight

Special Rules
Venerable
Adds 1 to Steal the Initiative
5+ Invulnerable Save

options
Can swap Assault Cannon for
Plasma or Helfrost Cannon for free
TL Lascannon for 5pts.

Relic: "True Claw?"
Str 10
AP 2
Master Crafted, Shred

Drop Pod option.

No drop pod option? Means Bjorn won't be used as always...

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
No drop pod option? Means Bjorn won't be used as always...

Well he still is 50 points cheaper. and weapons upgrades are 15 points cheaper.

I also looks like he gets a Drop Pod, but I don't know Spanish and it is a crappy picture.

Never mind... language barrier...

Sorry, my bad, he can have one. Updated.

Doing Harald and Wolf Scouts next. Psychic Powers and wargear will have to wait till morning but will finish the units tonight. I will quote everything into one post, so if someone could make sure a mod or the OP puts it in the OP I'd be appreciative.

Harald Deathwolf.

190pts base

Wargear

Power Armour
Frost Axe
Bolt Pistol
Grenades
Storm Shield
Thunderwolf Mount. Apparently TW are now Wargear.

Special Rules

Counterattack
Outflank
Independent Character
Acute Senses
ATSKNF

Space Wolf units with the Unit Type Beasts or Cavalry can use his Ld value while within 12" of him.

Saga of the Wolf

Can take up to 2 Fenrisian Wolves for 8ppm




Wolf Scouts

Wargear
Scout Armour
Bolter
Bolt Pistol
Grenades
Power Armour for WGPL

Special Rules
Counterattack
Acute Senses
Infiltrate
Scouts
Move Through Cover
ATSKNF

5-10 Scouts per unit, 14ppm
Can take CCW for 2ppm
One model may become WGPL for 10ppm
WGPL may take Ranged and Melee Weapons and Melta Bombs
Any Scout can swap their Bolter for a Shotgun or CCW for free, or a Sniper Rifle for 1ppm
Up to 2 Scouts may swap their Bolter for a Plasma Pistol or Power Weapon for 15ppm per weapon.
One Scout may swap his Bolter for a Heavy or Special Weapon.