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Something that has being bothering me for a while is that Slaanesh is in the Warhammer Fantasy game and yet the god was created by the Eldar in Warhammer 40k. So how can Slaanesh exist in both games? i do have a theory and also with the other link to both games with Necrons and Lizard Men [Slann and the old ones].

It is possible that the Fantasy game world is actually somewhere in the 40k universe. Or than the warp can access different dimensions/universes and/or times, but this im not sure of either. So if anybody could contribute or even slove this i'd love to hear of it. I have asked GW staff about this they have suggested the same sort of ideas but no real answer. Even if you dont have a real answer i'd still like to hear your thoughts and opinions on the matter.

Cheers mates!

Thats tough. Maybe slaan is everywhere at once or the warp transends time or somthing...........

Good question, let me just hit my head with a hammer for a sec...

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The Warp can connect all points in both time and space (according to the fluff, which explains how Starships sometimes get trapped in the Warp and emerge into the past !)

On this basis, Slaanesh, being a Chaos Power, could use the Warp to appear in the past as well, allowing access to the WFB timeline.

Sound about right ?

The 2 game systems, according to GW, are not connected therefor anything is possible in each setting.

There was an OLD piece iof fluff that stated that WHFB took place AFTER 40K. Probably not cannon anymore but it makes sense, I guess, as the Imperium is in a decline, technological or otherwise.
And this sounds a lot less cheesy than the whole space time mumbo jumbo. GW has done so many re-writes of their fluff that it gets way confusing.

I don't know what OLD fluff you're talking about, but suffice to say, unless you want to punch yourself in the face because of the ridiculous #'s of re-writes GW has made, just don't think about it. They are separate worlds (even though they are almost the same...).


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I've never considered them related, that is like asking if Earth is a planet in Star Wars.

In some very old fluff, the Warhammer world was a planet in the 40K universe. The Old Ones built the warp gate at the north pole which was destroyed and allowed the warp to spill through and create the Realm of Chaos. I have some old Chaos books (early mid 90's) that still mention how the Chaos Gods' attention is frequently on other worlds and that Champions in the Warhammer World must struggle to gain their attention. It also states that Demon Princes are sometimes brought into the Realm of Chaos to fight on other worlds. The part of the 40k Universe is very old fluff though and hasn't been acknowledged in years.

Now just look at them as seperate universes with seperate histories where the Dark Prince was born by some other means than the Eldar.

Way back, the original Realm of Chaos books were equally for 40K and for Warhammer Fantasy; the two settings were not considered at all incompatible.

There were rules whereby it was possible for Chaos warbands in Fantasy to include a Chaos Space Marine or two...

Even outside of all this, you seem to be forgetting a large detail...


The Eldar are much older than humanity, and were in decline before our species was intellegent enough to start beating eachother with leg bone mounted skulls while "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", or whatever the correct way to spell it is, played in the background...

At best you might be able to view WFB as a random pre-heresy planet, as long as you don't ask too many questions.

Although they have always had lots of crossover, W40K and WFB have never had a consistent combined fluff, nor has one ever been explicitly stated to exist in any fluff. The Warhammer World has never been assigned a canon place in the W40K galaxy. I say that with some authority, having played from 1989 up to 1994, having almost all fluff from inside that period and before, including most of the WDs going back to about no. 80 and quite a few before that. Of course, much of the old WFB fluff did hint at lots of things suggestive of a place in he W40K world. It was just never codified.

Considering for a moment that it IS the same universe, it is quite possible that the Planet fell to a "feral"state after the Birth of Slaanesh and that no one has any idea bar a few myths and such of the time of Human Colinisation. And it is quite possible that they are surrounded by Warp Storms that prevent any 40k Universe ships from coming to it

Or GW started games with a bunch of lifted ideas (IE Moorcock's chaos and elves ala Melnibone which Citadel had done minis for and looked alot like the later HE) and just grafted them onto both settings b/c they couldn't be bothered to do original settings for both. But, it's cool, you can always explain it by borrowing multiverse explanations and just spouting parallel dimensions and alternate timelines and such.

jmurph wrote:Or GW started games with a bunch of lifted ideas (IE Moorcock's chaos and elves ala Melnibone which Citadel had done minis for and looked alot like the later HE) and just grafted them onto both settings b/c they couldn't be bothered to do original settings for both. But, it's cool, you can always explain it by borrowing multiverse explanations and just spouting parallel dimensions and alternate timelines and such.

My my, someone is a little bitter.
yes while it is true GW have very Little "original" IP, that doesn't stop us or them retconing the backstories.

The problem I have with the idea that WFB is a lost planet in WH40K is the variety of armies (species). WFB has like 15 armies, even if you say that Lizardmen, Skaven and Vampires are only located on this planet, why are their Eldar who have somehow lost their technology, why are there squats?

Firsly, LMFAO. They are not squats, nor are they Eldar.

Just because something Looks Similar doesn't mean they are related at all.

Gwar! wrote:Firsly, LMFAO. They are not squats, nor are they Eldar.

Just because something Looks Similar doesn't mean they are related at all.

If the world exists in 40K, than yes, they are what I said.

The problem you get with sci-fi is that every world becomes unique (ala Star Wars syndrome of a desert world, a water world, a forest world, etc). Same thing happens with species. WFB works as it's own thing. If they're not Squats and Eldar, than why are their Elves and Dwarfs on this planet an none other?

Who says there are not? For all we know there are. Each Planet is different.

Also, Squats are Squats, not Dwarfs. Eldar are Eldar, not Elves.

Just because it is in the same galaxy as 40k, doesn't mean that the races have to parallel to those we play in 40k.

There are loads of races that don't get played in 40k that make up a good chunk of the background, so to say "ZOMG ALL WARHAMMER RACES MUST HAVE A 40K EQUIVILENT HURRR!" is very arrogant to say the least.

The fluff used to be that WFB world used to be a planet in the 40K universe.

Look at sigmar...huge god-man, found when a comet (life pod) was seen in the sky.

This has since been retconned, and the universes are separate.

Although, the gods remain the same, they transcend separate universes. And if a god is master of space, it is also a master of time, so if slaanesh can be anywhere it can be anywhen.

Look at the Liber Chaotica books, a tzeentch daemon takes the fantasy author to the planet of sorcerors!

Gwar! wrote:here are loads of races that don't get played in 40k that make up a good chunk of the background, so to say "ZOMG ALL WARHAMMER RACES MUST HAVE A 40K EQUIVILENT HURRR!" is very arrogant to say the least.

Yes, that is exactly what I said.

It says in the 40k codex, that due to the impossible nature of the warp, as slaanesh was the only god to be 'created' as such, it has both always been around, and at the same time never been. It's confusing.

In the White Dwarf that talked about the Daemon Codex they say the Daemon special characters are the same characters regardless of the game they're played in.