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Hey all, as the title says, these should be quick and easy.

1. Can scouts assault after deepstriking in on a land speeder storm. Deepstriking speed is cruising and it is open topped.

2. Can a 10 strong scout unit combat squad into 2 land speeder storms in reserves?

I think that the answer to both is yes, but I would rather have it be pointed out to me here that I am an idiot than when I spring the mega scout bomb. (Playing against Valks has me taking a second look at this option).

Somnicide wrote:1. Can scouts assault after deepstriking in on a land speeder storm. Deepstriking speed is cruising and it is open topped.

No, because the Deep Strike Rules prevent things that have Arrived by Deep Strike from assaulting the turn they come in. There are a number of rules that state/suggest this. First is in the rules for drop pods which say "A unit that Deep Strikes via Drop Pod may not assault in the turn it arrives". This implies that a unit arriving via a transport counts as Deep Striking. But of course, that is "specific" to drop pods. We can also back it up from the rules on page 95 of the BRB, which state "In the Movement phase when they arrive, these units may not move any further, other than to disembark from a deep striking transport vehicle. Units deep striking into ruined buildings are placed on the ground floor, They may not deep strike directly inside a transport vehicle or a building, which will count as impassable terrain as normal." which again shows that the unit inside a transport count as Deep Striking. The rules then go on to state that "In that turn's Assault phase, however, these units may not launch an assault (even if they have the 'fleet' special rule), unless clearly stated in their special rules - they are too disrupted by their deep strike move."

So, in short, No they cannot assault because they count as Deep Striking as Well. They may however Disemark.

Somnicide wrote:2. Can a 10 strong scout unit combat squad into 2 land speeder storms in reserves?

No, you cannot. Space Marine Squads Cannot Combat Squad before they are Deployed onto the table, either by starting on the board or by moving in from reserves. As they cannot be split in reserves, they can never fit onto the storms. What you will have to do is move everything on 1" (for example) combat squading as you go, then use the rest of your move to embark on the Storms. This of course Precludes the Storms from moving any further, so it is undesirable. Not to mention the Storms Come on with a separate reserve roll. What you will have to do is buy two separate 5 man Scout Squads

Somnicide wrote:I think that the answer to both is yes, but I would rather have it be pointed out to me here that I am an idiot than when I spring the mega scout bomb. (Playing against Valks has me taking a second look at this option).

Sorry for crushing your dreams :(

God I hate myself......Gwar is correct...Heh
(as he is generaly)

damn it. guess that I will be using min sized scout squads after all. they can deploy in storms (right?)

thanks for the quick response

Somnicide wrote:damn it. guess that I will be using min sized scout squads after all. they can deploy in storms (right?)

thanks for the quick response

Correct. You can buy 2 Storms and 2 Five Man Scouts and have them embark in reserves, then you can choose to Deep Strike them or Outflank them. You will roll 2 Dice though don't forget, one for each pair of Storm + Scout. Not to mention you are getting 2 Sergeants instead of 1, so you can grab two Power Fists Dawg!

I am thinking 2 combimeltas to take advantage of open topped ;-) thanks for uncrushing some of my dreams

Somnicide wrote:I am thinking 2 combimeltas to take advantage of open topped ;-) thanks for uncrushing some of my dreams

Well, you can't fire the turn you Deep Strike Unless you disembark (making the Open topped kind of pointless ).

oh really? why? nevermind, cruising speed, right?

Somnicide wrote:oh really? why? nevermind, cruising speed, right?

Right

Man, they really don't want people to use those things :-p

Yeah it is a awesome idea to bad it was so poorly implemented.

It would have worked if they would allow you to take the choices in 1-3 as one slot but its just 1 for 1 which sucks.


:(


I really like the model too.