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Here is my 2 cents, I do think you should split up your termies 10 of them is just too large of a foot print for one as well as abbadon can pretty much take care of most things so they are really just there to soak up wounds for him. Splinting up your termies allows you to spread your threat out a bit.

Three chainfists is complete overkill with abbadon and the amount of meltas you have i think the points could deffinately be better spent else where like a rhino or another piece of wargear.

All your squads have power fists and in units with meltas that is pretty redundant i would recommend using PWs which free's up even more points.

I agree lash and cult is over done, but it id difficult as hell to find a competitive build outside of them as well, I wish you the best of luck.

I like the new list it looks alot more competitive, but I just have to say thats alot of raptors not that thats a bad thing it just took me by surprise lol.

Now go try it out and see what you think. There is no substitute for lots of hands on experience with a list to sharpen it to the point where it is not longer a tool but a weapon.

Good luck.

Spellbound wrote:Despite infantry being able to run in 5th edition, a rhino costs pretty much 1 terminator or 2 CSM. While sure you can give up your shooting to get between 1 and 6" of movement, a rhino enables you to always get 12" of movement, and technically 15 since you can unload "within 2"", which means the back edge of your base can be at the edge of 2" from the doors [see rulebook]. AND you can STILL fire. A rhino gets you where you need to go quickly while also protecting you from enemy fire. Imagine moving 12" to an objective and unloading your guns to clear off the remnants of an enemy squad, and take it for yourself. Compare that to running and hoping you get a 6 to possibly contest the objective instead.

You don't need landraiders, and you certainly don't need cult troops. CSM are the best bang for your buck in the chaos codex.

And good luck with Abaddon btw. Poor guy's got a 1 in 6 chance to screw himself. I hate him.

It is true rhinos are cheap but the cost you pay for them is essentially one free kill point and in some lists that not too bad but in a list like what he is going for it can undo everything you work for. It is all to easy to pop 3-4 rhinos on turn one if that the only armor on the board, for example eldar darkreapers can take them apart, ork lootas, tyranids shooty fex's of any variant. tau fire warriors can glance them into uselessness. So as good as rhinos can be for mobility so to can they be your undoing in KP matches which will be 1/3rd of the time.

I agree unless you are running a list built to support the landraiders they usually aren't a good idea.

Abbadon can be random but he also have a 5 in 6 chance of devastating your opponent plus the rest of his list is solid so why not throw in a little randomness for fun. Having a competitive list is all good and well but if you play something you hate it doesn't matter if it wins.

I think my point got lost, I was just saying that a lucky shot from a S5 weapon can cost you a rhino and a KP depending on the scenario. No it is not a given and yes it protects your troops from a hailstorm of fire. The other side of that is every list usually brings to the table an adequate amount of anti-vehicle and many of them long ranged, so the chance of loosing half or more of your rhinos on the first turn is not unheard of and in truth is more often then most of us would like.

I agree lash is a more competitive list if a more competitive lists existed that would be the cookie cutter build.

I was just offering a word of caution about running MEQ's mechanized reason being I cannot count the number of games I have won because my opponent gave me so many easy KP's because of troop transports like rhinos.

Plus I tend to favor originality which JP is attempting, albeit originality only lasts for about 10 seconds.