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Wrexasaur wrote:Phryxis does not claim to have much of anything, as far as I am concerned. He has made a few statements that could be considered untrue, but for the most part I happen to agree with what he says. This conversation was taken off track, a mile underground and you appear to be a very significant contributor to that fact.

I don't hate you mate. You're at least mildly amusing and in most cases well written. You come across (so far as the internet would allow) as attention hoarding and mildly egocentric. Through what limited lens I can offer, this is ridiculous and you are a very noticeable factor in all of it. I wish you well on these forums and hope that you can work at least some understanding out with those that are involved in the dispute.

Well, I aim for mildly amusing and well written, so that's good. I don't mean to hoard attention, I just get bored easily and type fast, so I tend to post a lot.

I really don't want to keep turning threads into threads about me, and if you look carefully I think you'll see the issues is that I'm prone to defending myself when attacked, and that dogma, Phryxis and Monster Rain have display a strong desire to turn any thread I post into a thread about me by making claims about me that compel a defense. I'm not the one who keeps bringing me up. It may be a bit insecure on my part to be so defensive, but it not egotism.

I can see that you post very quickly, sometimes without (again, as far as I can tell) thinking.

One of the reasons I enjoy using forums is because it forces me to think about what I am saying. I am speaking now, my brain is making my fingers move and you can hear it. Thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of miles away, you are reading me write. It is quite spectacular, I mean really, that is some amazing stuff.

While I do not agree with you on your second point (Gailbrathe is simply defending his or her self.) it could be seen as the case. I skim threads and pick out what is important, I am not here to mine through blarrghabarg, unless it is a thread that needs more cowbell.

I appreciate that you have spent some time trying to ease the gas pedal, but you should consider taking your foot off of it altogether. It is not beyond someone with your writing skills to convey a clear and polite argument, even including a humorous twist or two.

You can contribute positively far more than you have so far.

Phryxis wrote:I told you, I took it to PM to AVOID embarassing you. I guess you think I was lying? Now you're posting in here for everyone to see that I tried to talk sense to you, and in response you told me you hoped I would get testicular cancer and die.

Which is actually the exact same thing you told dogma.

Why are you doing this to yourself? And what, exactly, do you have against testiculars?

It's just a funny thing to say as a kiss-off. I'm also fond of "Get fethed with a rusty chainsaw."

Let me assure you, THEY'RE NOT. And even if they were, they're presented with such haze of obvious lunacy that they immediately become unreasonable on that basis alone.

Considering that I have never been given the opportunity to present those arguments, all you've really done here is admit that you are prejudiced and have reached your conclusion without any consideration of the facts. I'm sure no one saw that coming.

You don't seem to be able to grasp a basic concept... why are all these people siding against you? I'm OBVIOUSLY a douchebag, and they're still taking my side against you. Why would they do that?

I don't actually see anyone taking your side against me. But I agree, you are obviously a douchebag. Not being rude, just agreeing with you.

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:Guess I'll try to slip in here before this gets locked due to OT bickering. Communism, while in THEORY desirable, will never work with human society. Someone needs to be the one signing checks and driving the Ferrari, and someone needs to be asking if you want fries with that. It's how our society functions, the poor actually fill an important role, as seen in fight club (can't find a forum-appropriate clip )

EDIT: removed clip, inappropriate

Right lets try and pull this back on course.

This is very much what communism argues, that the poor play the most important part in society and should be rewarded as such.
(p.s seen fight club and loved it )

Gailbraithe wrote:I think my arguments (qua the conservative movement as a nascent fascist movement) are actually very reasonable, if one is willing to hear me out. But most people aren't willing to hear me out (due in large part to social conditioning to discount any claims that anyone is a fascist, an inadvertent side effect of a joke Mike Godwin once made), and right-wingers in particular go on the warpath (incidentaly this is exactly what my theory about movement conservatives predicts) when I make the claim.

Honestly, I think a lot of people know its true but simply don't want to believe it, because if it's true it raises the question "Yeah, but what do we do about it?" and that way leads to a real bind. But I really do believe, especially for Americans, this issue has become the "elephant in the room" that everyone is desperately trying to avoid acknowledging. Pursuing a policy of appeasement, as it were.

I will grant that there is a possibility that I am being alarmist, but I really don't believe I'm being unreasonable. Only impolitic. And having people like Phryxis and his ilk become obsessed with silencing and discrediting me by any means necessary (except the one acceptable means: reasoned argument) does not do anything to convince me I'm wrong, conversely it only convinces me that I am, in fact, on to something.

You've just gone off on a rant about why people won't consider they're fascist without actually giving the case for how they might be fascist. And again, I actually think a lot has gone wrong with the GOP in the last couple of decades, but using the word fascist is just wrong. It means something and it's meaning has nothing to do with what is going on in the GOP. A party disappearing further and further into the fantasy of rugged individualism is not fascist. If anything, the idea that the individual should work to enhance the power of the nation would be a welcome antidote to what's going on.

Obviously this site doesn't have any real leaders, no gaming/geek forum of any size does. There may be cliques, but there will always be way too many iconoclasts and dedicated individualists on a board like this for one user to have the sort of power Phryxis claims. And that's the point: Phyrxis claims to have that kind of power. I was being facetious and mocking Phryxis's self-importance, knowing that if I told y'all that you would follow Phyrxis lead it wouldn't be long before y'all started debunking that little notion.

No, there aren't any real leaders because geeks love to stand apart from the crowd, as you rightly say. But I've never seen a site in my life that didn't love to dogpile on someone, especially a new poster, and as you can see that's what is going on.

Phyxis didn't need to claim leadership qualities to know that if he started to call you out then it was likely the rest of us would come in to dogpile.

In fact facists have nothing to do with conservatives.
Radical Conservatives are Reactionary. As Radical Socialist are Communists (Librals -> Anarchists).

Facist are Radicals Unhappy people not more not less. Mostly Facists are more closely allegiant to Socialists than to that of the two other ideologies (Like in Germany and Italy during WW2)

Kragura wrote:

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:Guess I'll try to slip in here before this gets locked due to OT bickering. Communism, while in THEORY desirable, will never work with human society. Someone needs to be the one signing checks and driving the Ferrari, and someone needs to be asking if you want fries with that. It's how our society functions, the poor actually fill an important role, as seen in fight club (can't find a forum-appropriate clip )

EDIT: removed clip, inappropriate

Right lets try and pull this back on course.

This is very much what communism argues, that the poor play the most important part in society and should be rewarded as such.
(p.s seen fight club and loved it )

But if they are rewarded and made equal, then there is no more lower class, thus no one to keep the gears of society oiled. Communism wants everyone to be equal, and human society hasn't allowed that since we lived in caves as hunter-gatherers.

Jesus, so much drama. This must be what it would be like if Gwar joined the Wrecking Crew.

Wrexasaur wrote:I can see that you post very quickly, sometimes without (again, as far as I can tell) thinking.

One of the reasons I enjoy using forums is because it forces me to think about what I am saying. I am speaking now, my brain is making my fingers move and you can hear it. Thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of miles away, you are reading me write. It is quite spectacular, I mean really, that is some amazing stuff.

While I do not agree with you on your second point (Gailbrathe is simply defending his or her self.) it could be seen as the case. I skim threads and pick out what is important, I am not here to mine through blarrghabarg, unless it is a thread that needs more cowbell.

I appreciate that you have spent some time trying to ease the gas pedal, but you should consider taking your foot off of it altogether. It is not beyond someone with your writing skills to convey a clear and polite argument, even including a humorous twist or two.

You can contribute positively far more than you have so far.

Basically, this.

I've had some pretty ridiculous blazing rows with people on this site, including some people who have posted in this very thread. What I've usually found is that an argument on here usually reaches a critical mass of ridiculousness, someone posts a 'You Mad?'-type image, and the whole thing is just laughed off.

Gailbraithe, you'lll find on this site an insanely varied mix of people - Neo-cons (Frazzled, Fateweaver), Liberals (sebster, Wrex (arguably)), Liberal Nationalists (Me), Conservatives (mattyrm, Phryxis), Socialists (MeanGreenStompa), Nihilists (ShumaGorath), Christians (GeneralGrog, Manchu, JEB), Atheists (me again) and, well, dogma. Who knows what THAT fether believes in!

My point is this: Very few of us actually agree on everything, but one thing we all have in common is that we're all able to co-exist here on dakka. I put this down to the fact that we all know that as individuals there comes a point where you have to accept that you're taking yourself a wee bit seriously. I think the problem people seem to be having with you is that you don't seem to have realised this yet. But that's ok - we've all been there. Some stay there for longer than others, some 'get it' pretty quickly. But it's cool - you'll find that people here are actually pretty forgiving. I've said some horrendous things to people on this site, and they've said some back to me - but like I said, if you're prepared to laugh it off and call a truce, you can start afresh the very next day as if nothing ever happened. No-one has to be a pariah. A good example of this is me and Manchu - I'm a British Atheist, he's an American Christian. We seemed to have very little in common at all, and REALLY didn't get on. Like, really. We had a big argument, but once we managed to laugh it off we found that we actually DO have things in common. We're pals now.

I'm sure that can happen for you. After all, we all like 40K don't we?

I'm not on anyone's side but my own, all I'm saying is that if you can keep the aggressive rudeness to a minimum you'll be fine. Works for me.


SIDEBAR: How fethed up is it that I'M the voice of reason in this thread? All we need now is for Shuma to come in and remind everyone of Dakka's Rule No. 1!

Albatross wrote: and, well, dogma. Who knows what THAT fether believes in!

Wow Albatross got to use the phrase nihilist. yea baby!


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Modquisition on.

Certain posters have now opted for the nonvoluntary vacation program. To the rest, it would be prudent to chillaxify. Personal attacks, except by the Worst Mod Evah!, are generally not permitted, even in the OT Zone. Lets remember that and move forward. Personal attacks beyond this post will be dealt with accordingly.

I'll leave the thread open if it remains civil.


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Speaking of the triumphs of communism:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-09-15-1Acambodia15_CV_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

Let me assure you, THEY'RE NOT. And even if they were, they're presented with such haze of obvious lunacy that they immediately become unreasonable on that basis alone.

Why is it that when I read this my mind jumped right to Glen Beck :S

That vicious bastard from frazz's link was not caused by communism, he was caused by being a vicious bastard. There are plenty of psychological studies done about the prisoner/guard relationship, and in my own experience, a lot of people are just donkey-caves because they can be. Give someone a slight amount of authority over another and they will become an donkey-cave about it. We see it in cops, toll booth attendants, middle managers, prison guards, bank loan managers, etc. That kind of assholery is not specific to communism, it happens every day in your shopping malls, gas stations, cop shops. Give a man power over another man and it makes them a bit irrational when it comes to moral decisions.

You missed the part about the numbers and what the communists did Guiti. It wasn't just a few camp guards. Estimates are 1 in 4 Cambodians were killed. Think about that in terms of US/Europe population. Hitler/Stalin were choir boys in comparison.

Perhaps the 'we-are-not-at-war' napalm drops weren't entirely inappropriate then. What sensible so-called-government would think they could get ahead by killing off a quarter of their population? Oh yeah the savage overpopulated ones. Wait, that was a different thread that got locked on the grounds of being racist.

A Communism doesn't have to be savage and brutal, it just happens that it is a form of government that has historically been adopted by savage and brutal minded cultures... You don't have enough food, so kill all the rich people and take their stuff! This is hardly a good PR job for communist nations. Usually their change to commie-ism has to do with being a culture run down by feudal old ways and getting sick of it. What would it be like if an enlightened moral culture decided to try communism? You cannot hand an angry downtrodden kid a sword and let him loose on the playground, and then say "see I told you so, we shouldn't give a kid a sword"... when really the only lesson to be learned is that we cannot hand an ANGRY TOWNTRODDEN kid a sword. Some cultures are angry and downtrodden kids and they will lash out given the opportunity to be vicious. If a foreward thinking, morally high grounded culture tried to adopt commie-ism it might have very different results... but those cultures wouldn't want to adopt communism, since they aren't angry and downtrodden.

I like being free. I like the fact that if the guy next door is too good to work a menial job starting out in life ( oh im not doing this or that) he better actually be too good /qualified which in turn requires some work/smarts. If he doesnt wanna do anything then he finds himself screwed later. I like the fact that if I'm good at something I dont have to do it because im forced to do it. Whether I hate it or because I just dont like you. My hands are mine. I can get up and go when I want to where I want.
Problem is our country has been so loaded with social programs for so long that most young people really cant contrast . I dont owe anybody anything and nobody owes me anything just because I exist. You want utopia get a job save your money and that still wont gaurantee the wife , the kids and hapiness BUT your free to find WHAT makes YOU happy. I really cant understand what about communism is attractive to some people. It doesnt work; it merely exists.

Waagh!Balzsmasha! wrote:I like being free. I like the fact that if the guy next door is too good to work a menial job starting out in life ( oh im not doing this or that) he better actually be too good /qualified which in turn requires some work/smarts. If he doesnt wanna do anything then he finds himself screwed later. I like the fact that if I'm good at something I dont have to do it because im forced to do it. Whether I hate it or because I just dont like you. My hands are mine. I can get up and go when I want to where I want.
Problem is our country has been so loaded with social programs for so long that most young people really cant contrast . I dont owe anybody anything and nobody owes me anything just because I exist. You want utopia get a job save your money and that still wont gaurantee the wife , the kids and hapiness BUT your free to find WHAT makes YOU happy. I really cant understand what about communism is attractive to some people. It doesnt work; it merely exists.

QFT... partially...

WE, as a people, as a culture, as a nation, whatever you want to call it... like to help where we can. We help if we can and kill if we must. This is a human condition of having compassion for those less fortunate than ourself. Communism is an extension of that ideal in government form. I will help when I can whether or not I am required by law to, but I see in my SSi payments and income tax that I am already doing that anyways. My hands are my own too, and I have worked plenty of cash out jobs underneath the system, out of necessity, but the moment you get that payroll check with that mandatory deduction on it, then you know you too are a slave to something. If you dont like it, grab a backpack and live in the woods like I did. In a commune. They work on small levels, they are actually wonderful on small levels. The bigger it gets, to the point of being a national government, the love and fellowship is no longer there and everyone is resentful of their inferiors.

I resent that my GF's friend had 2 kids from 2 dads, neither of which are around, gets a giant flatcreen TV with her government stipend, gets rent relief so she only pays about 60 bucks a month, eats out all the time, and thinks she 'earned' it for being a mom. To me, she is just a dumbass leech who couldnt keep her legs shut... but hey that's communism for you. We engage in it all the time whenever you cash your paycheck with 'your own hands' you support dumbassery like that and you have NO CHOICE in the matter.

Guitardian wrote:

Waagh!Balzsmasha! wrote:I like being free. I like the fact that if the guy next door is too good to work a menial job starting out in life ( oh im not doing this or that) he better actually be too good /qualified which in turn requires some work/smarts. If he doesnt wanna do anything then he finds himself screwed later. I like the fact that if I'm good at something I dont have to do it because im forced to do it. Whether I hate it or because I just dont like you. My hands are mine. I can get up and go when I want to where I want.
Problem is our country has been so loaded with social programs for so long that most young people really cant contrast . I dont owe anybody anything and nobody owes me anything just because I exist. You want utopia get a job save your money and that still wont gaurantee the wife , the kids and hapiness BUT your free to find WHAT makes YOU happy. I really cant understand what about communism is attractive to some people. It doesnt work; it merely exists.

QFT... partially...

WE, as a people, as a culture, as a nation, whatever you want to call it... like to help where we can. We help if we can and kill if we must. This is a human condition of having compassion for those less fortunate than ourself. Communism is an extension of that ideal in government form. I will help when I can whether or not I am required by law to, but I see in my SSi payments and income tax that I am already doing that anyways. My hands are my own too, and I have worked plenty of cash out jobs underneath the system, out of necessity, but the moment you get that payroll check with that mandatory deduction on it, then you know you too are a slave to something. If you dont like it, grab a backpack and live in the woods like I did. In a commune. They work on small levels, they are actually wonderful on small levels. The bigger it gets, to the point of being a national government, the love and fellowship is no longer there and everyone is resentful of their inferiors.

I resent that my GF's friend had 2 kids from 2 dads, neither of which are around, gets a giant flatcreen TV with her government stipend, gets rent relief so she only pays about 60 bucks a month, eats out all the time, and thinks she 'earned' it for being a mom. To me, she is just a dumbass leech who couldnt keep her legs shut... but hey that's communism for you. We engage in it all the time whenever you cash your paycheck with 'your own hands' you support dumbassery like that and you have NO CHOICE in the matter.

I wasnt commenting on your post- but. WE shouldnt be helping, we arent supposed to help as a government.Charity. If you want to help ;you help. If you dont want to or cant or feel its unfair you dont. No debates its your money. Now we all gotta get taxed for reasonable stuff but the politicians love bailing out people because theyre brainless and or dishonest and want to get votes. I'll help anybody but I'm the judge with what I earned and you are with your money. Anyway your example is where we started going down this road to socialism. That girl wants to have kids i'm not gonna bash her USA dude but she shouldnt get a dime from me. Our taxes are enormous, businesses get smashed too. It goes to the basic principle of why communism doesnt work. WHY should I work to earn a little bit more than a person who doesnt work at ALL! So they can get all the respect and benefits that I've earned and do jack. I dont have a house couldn't afford one prices are still too high but people got debt relief I just got bills and no house. Thats the biggest slap. I dont want a check. People like that girl go around me to get the government to steal from me and if I dont hand it over I go to jail. Does that sound logical at all? Trust me 2 kids no dads. No government to help; someone would but it would be the appropiate amount of help and plenty of incentive to get off her ass. I should have wrote my hands are supposed to be my own but arent right now.

Dark Scipio wrote:In fact facists have nothing to do with conservatives.
Radical Conservatives are Reactionary. As Radical Socialist are Communists (Librals -> Anarchists).

Facist are Radicals Unhappy people not more not less. Mostly Facists are more closely allegiant to Socialists than to that of the two other ideologies (Like in Germany and Italy during WW2)

You mean the socialists who were the first to die in Hitlers genocides and made up the 2nd largest portion of people in the concentration camps*. or do you mean to say the socialists who ran into the mountains and instigated a guerilla war against binito Mussolini in Italy.



*(if you don't split them up on a per nation bases they were the largest group)

Its irrelevant. Its still a group trying to tell the majority what to do.

Waagh!Balzsmasha! wrote:I like being free. I like the fact that if the guy next door is too good to work a menial job starting out in life ( oh im not doing this or that) he better actually be too good /qualified which in turn requires some work/smarts. If he doesnt wanna do anything then he finds himself screwed later. I like the fact that if I'm good at something I dont have to do it because im forced to do it. Whether I hate it or because I just dont like you. My hands are mine. I can get up and go when I want to where I want.
Problem is our country has been so loaded with social programs for so long that most young people really cant contrast . I dont owe anybody anything and nobody owes me anything just because I exist. You want utopia get a job save your money and that still wont gaurantee the wife , the kids and hapiness BUT your free to find WHAT makes YOU happy. I really cant understand what about communism is attractive to some people. It doesnt work; it merely exists.

If capitalism was a fair system then yes I think this could be true. however nowhere is capitalism fair, to become qualified he needs higher education to get higher education he needs money and what if his parent and friends aren't wealthy, then what? where does he make the money to make more money. he doesn't, he gets stuck in a poverty cycle that he has almost no chance of ever breaking out of, he ends up having more kids and sending them away to do cheap labour just so the family can be fed. he resorts to theft and violence to get what he needs however it's against the law for him to steal what now?. he does nothing he become another statistic to be glassed over by the people who scream capitalism has triumphed while ignoring the fact that 1.7 billion people live in absolute poverty.

capitalism is great in theory but has never worked in practice.

Kragura wrote:

Waagh!Balzsmasha! wrote:I like being free. I like the fact that if the guy next door is too good to work a menial job starting out in life ( oh im not doing this or that) he better actually be too good /qualified which in turn requires some work/smarts. If he doesnt wanna do anything then he finds himself screwed later. I like the fact that if I'm good at something I dont have to do it because im forced to do it. Whether I hate it or because I just dont like you. My hands are mine. I can get up and go when I want to where I want.
Problem is our country has been so loaded with social programs for so long that most young people really cant contrast . I dont owe anybody anything and nobody owes me anything just because I exist. You want utopia get a job save your money and that still wont gaurantee the wife , the kids and hapiness BUT your free to find WHAT makes YOU happy. I really cant understand what about communism is attractive to some people. It doesnt work; it merely exists.

If capitalism was a fair system then yes I think this could be true. however nowhere is capitalism fair, to become qualified he needs higher education to get higher education he needs money and what if his parent and friends aren't wealthy, then what? where does he make the money to make more money. he doesn't, he gets stuck in a poverty cycle that he has almost no chance of ever breaking out of, he ends up having more kids and sending them away to do cheap labour just so the family can be fed. he resorts to theft and violence to get what he needs however it's against the law for him to steal what now?. he does nothing he become another statistic to be glassed over by the people who scream capitalism has triumphed while ignoring the fact that 1.7 billion people live in absolute poverty.

capitalism is great in theory but has never worked in practice.

Who said communism was fair? Who said life was fair?

Kragura wrote:

Waagh!Balzsmasha! wrote:I like being free. I like the fact that if the guy next door is too good to work a menial job starting out in life ( oh im not doing this or that) he better actually be too good /qualified which in turn requires some work/smarts. If he doesnt wanna do anything then he finds himself screwed later. I like the fact that if I'm good at something I dont have to do it because im forced to do it. Whether I hate it or because I just dont like you. My hands are mine. I can get up and go when I want to where I want.
Problem is our country has been so loaded with social programs for so long that most young people really cant contrast . I dont owe anybody anything and nobody owes me anything just because I exist. You want utopia get a job save your money and that still wont gaurantee the wife , the kids and hapiness BUT your free to find WHAT makes YOU happy. I really cant understand what about communism is attractive to some people. It doesnt work; it merely exists.

If capitalism was a fair system then yes I think this could be true. however nowhere is capitalism fair, to become qualified he needs higher education to get higher education he needs money and what if his parent and friends aren't wealthy, then what? where does he make the money to make more money. he doesn't, he gets stuck in a poverty cycle that he has almost no chance of ever breaking out of, he ends up having more kids and sending them away to do cheap labour just so the family can be fed. he resorts to theft and violence to get what he needs however it's against the law for him to steal what now?. he does nothing he become another statistic to be glassed over by the people who scream capitalism has triumphed while ignoring the fact that 1.7 billion people live in absolute poverty.

capitalism is great in theory but has never worked in practice.

Is it the job of an individual government to make sure everyone in the world is happy?

Do the 1.7 billion poor people bear no responsibility for improving their situation?

Frazzled wrote:Its irrelevant. Its still a group trying to tell the majority what to do.

But Frazz... it's for our own good!

What if we didn't have such enlightened people making our decisions for us?

Waagh!Balzsmasha! wrote:I like being free.

Who ever said you were free?

Some of you guys really need it.

Comintern wrote:

Waagh!Balzsmasha! wrote:I like being free.

Who ever said you were free?

Oh dear. Are you going to start quoting Doug Stanhope?

rubiksnoob wrote:



Some of you guys really need it.

That's what the tv is for!

A. Who is Doug Stanhope?

And no, I was thinking more in line with 1984. Where 2+2 = 5 not because it is, but because we say it is.

When Im free to walk across the street where I please, then I can say I am. Until then, everyone simply lives within the constraints of the society they happen to live in.

Monster Rain wrote:

Comintern wrote:

Waagh!Balzsmasha! wrote:I like being free.

Who ever said you were free?

Oh dear. Are you going to start quoting Doug Stanhope?

rubiksnoob wrote:



Some of you guys really need it.

That's what the tv is for!

Yeah, but this is my favorite picture on the internet and i seize every opportunity i find to post it.

Albatross wrote:

Wrexasaur wrote:I can see that you post very quickly, sometimes without (again, as far as I can tell) thinking.

One of the reasons I enjoy using forums is because it forces me to think about what I am saying. I am speaking now, my brain is making my fingers move and you can hear it. Thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of miles away, you are reading me write. It is quite spectacular, I mean really, that is some amazing stuff.

While I do not agree with you on your second point (Gailbrathe is simply defending his or her self.) it could be seen as the case. I skim threads and pick out what is important, I am not here to mine through blarrghabarg, unless it is a thread that needs more cowbell.

I appreciate that you have spent some time trying to ease the gas pedal, but you should consider taking your foot off of it altogether. It is not beyond someone with your writing skills to convey a clear and polite argument, even including a humorous twist or two.

You can contribute positively far more than you have so far.

Basically, this.

I've had some pretty ridiculous blazing rows with people on this site, including some people who have posted in this very thread. What I've usually found is that an argument on here usually reaches a critical mass of ridiculousness, someone posts a 'You Mad?'-type image, and the whole thing is just laughed off.

Gailbraithe, you'lll find on this site an insanely varied mix of people - Neo-cons (Frazzled, Fateweaver), Liberals (sebster, Wrex (arguably)), Liberal Nationalists (Me), Conservatives (mattyrm, Phryxis), Socialists (MeanGreenStompa), Nihilists (ShumaGorath), Christians (GeneralGrog, Manchu, JEB), Atheists (me again) and, well, dogma. Who knows what THAT fether believes in!

My point is this: Very few of us actually agree on everything, but one thing we all have in common is that we're all able to co-exist here on dakka. I put this down to the fact that we all know that as individuals there comes a point where you have to accept that you're taking yourself a wee bit seriously. I think the problem people seem to be having with you is that you don't seem to have realised this yet. But that's ok - we've all been there. Some stay there for longer than others, some 'get it' pretty quickly. But it's cool - you'll find that people here are actually pretty forgiving. I've said some horrendous things to people on this site, and they've said some back to me - but like I said, if you're prepared to laugh it off and call a truce, you can start afresh the very next day as if nothing ever happened. No-one has to be a pariah. A good example of this is me and Manchu - I'm a British Atheist, he's an American Christian. We seemed to have very little in common at all, and REALLY didn't get on. Like, really. We had a big argument, but once we managed to laugh it off we found that we actually DO have things in common. We're pals now.

I'm sure that can happen for you. After all, we all like 40K don't we?

I'm not on anyone's side but my own, all I'm saying is that if you can keep the aggressive rudeness to a minimum you'll be fine. Works for me.


SIDEBAR: How fethed up is it that I'M the voice of reason in this thread? All we need now is for Shuma to come in and remind everyone of Dakka's Rule No. 1!

Sorry i feel i have been misquoted here, i wish to confirm that i dont get on with anybody and i have a deep all consuming hatred for you all.

Kragura wrote:

Dark Scipio wrote:In fact facists have nothing to do with conservatives.
Radical Conservatives are Reactionary. As Radical Socialist are Communists (Librals -> Anarchists).

Facist are Radicals Unhappy people not more not less. Mostly Facists are more closely allegiant to Socialists than to that of the two other ideologies (Like in Germany and Italy during WW2)

You mean the socialists who were the first to die in Hitlers genocides and made up the 2nd largest portion of people in the concentration camps*. or do you mean to say the socialists who ran into the mountains and instigated a guerilla war against binito Mussolini in Italy.



*(if you don't split them up on a per nation bases they were the largest group)

There's a decent argument that fascists can't be well placed on the political spectrum occupied by conservatives and liberals. There's a better argument that the entire notion of a political spectrum based on left and right only really makes sense in the context of individual nations; ie. all the parties in a given state can be placed on a certain spectrum that they themselves define. In either case, the confluence between corporatism and nationalism is a strange one given that corporatism isn't confined to any conventionally defined incidence of the political right or left. Sweden, for example, is corporatist and socialist but not nationalist in the expansionary sense of a place like fascist Italy or Nazi Germany.