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2012/03/26 20:23:01
Subject: Mass Effect 3 Gameplay & Storyline Discussion
"-and all that time in Paris, when you were wallowing in debauchery with your doxies, tarts and pirates... you were trying to convince me you were a disgusting, swinish, lecherous, drunken sot... Well I want you to know it worked.
Be my guest.
If you are around let me know and I will show you how local beer taste
For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
2012/03/26 21:16:07
Subject: Mass Effect 3 Gameplay & Storyline Discussion
"-and all that time in Paris, when you were wallowing in debauchery with your doxies, tarts and pirates... you were trying to convince me you were a disgusting, swinish, lecherous, drunken sot... Well I want you to know it worked.
One thing that surprised me about this Mass Effect is that it's hard. I'm not used to that in Mass Effect. The previous two were really easy combat-wise. I play on the second hardest difficulty and some of those final battles especially the final one were really difficult.
Spoiler:
Especially Kai Leng fight and the protect the Rocket ones.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:One thing that surprised me about this Mass Effect is that it's hard. I'm not used to that in Mass Effect. The previous two were really easy combat-wise. I play on the second hardest difficulty and some of those final battles especially the final one were really difficult.
Spoiler:
Especially Kai Leng fight and the protect the Rocket ones.
Those were a bit frustrating on 'Hard'(or whatever is after normal), but the fairly imba black widow came to rescue on both of those, for me.
2012/03/28 06:12:12
Subject: Mass Effect 3 Gameplay & Storyline Discussion
Uniting the Quarians and Geth has been the best part of the game so far. Especially the message in Liara's files about a sergeant freaking out when Geth showed up as 'allied assistance' and he had to apologize for shooting one of its lights off.
I finally finished it yesterday and I found it to be possibly the weakest in the series. For a war of literally apocalyptic scale I found much of the game to be curiously hollow.
The only segment of the game where I felt any real sense of a greater conflict was London, mostly because they included regular comms chatter which was (mostly) contextual. Otherwise it was a fairly linear experience with no real connection to the bigger picture outside of cutscenes and dialogue. While there was the occasional appearance of allied troops it was rare and usually brief.
I also dislike how I was able to solve the Genophage and Geth problems within a couple of missions; it was inevitable that they would be cleared up in this game but it was a little too simple.
My main problem though was the ending, I should have just stopped playing at the beam of light. Aside from the inconsistencies, miraculous escapes and severe limitations that the endings have its the sudden appearance of 'god' that killed it for me, meh. The subtle BUY DLC! message was also appreciated.
I don't think that I will bother with a second play through.
The difficulty was fine, the only fight that I had any difficulty with was one of the engagements in London where you need to be evacuated by a dropship. I tried to fight my way through and got splattered repeatedly until I just ran for it and made it easily.
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RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
Just look up the "indoctrination theory", needless to say it makes the endings have allot more sense. If Bioware DO NOT confirm the indoctrination theory as true I will loose all faith in humanity. NO ONE (except maybe Lost) could make an ending with so many plot holes and inconsistencies, its especially out of character for Bioware.
Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:All I can say is... thank you vodo40k...
Zweischneid wrote:No way man. A Space Marine in itself is scary. But a Marine WITHOUT helmet wears at least 3-times as much plot-armour as a Marine with helmet. And heaven forbid if the Marine would also happen to have an intimidating looking, vertical scar. Then you're surly boned. Those guys are the worst. Not a chance I'd say.
2012/04/04 13:11:12
Subject: Mass Effect 3 Gameplay & Storyline Discussion
Anung Un Rama wrote:I'm not a big fan of Sword & Sorcery settings. Can someone give me the short version of why DA2 is so bad?
The ending is really bad. The story of the game is told in a very non-direct manner and the 'main' storyline is this chaotic jumble of confusion. At the end of the game, a random plot point from the beginning of the game that seemingly had nothing to do with the rest of the game (not even seemingly it really had nothing to do with the rest of the game) reappeared from nowhere. The ending was bad. Certainly worse than ME3 in my mind actually.
EDIT: Granted, the ending of DA2 may have been better if the rest of the game hadn't been such a mess. I look back at it now and I think it was a worthy attempt to push story telling in a new direction but in the end DA2 suffers from not being direct enough and having so much subtlety 19th century gentry wouldn't know what to make of it.
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DA2 was just unpolished and unfinished. The concept was good and the actual gameplay was good, but it wasn't anywhere near as good as Dragon Age:Origins.
I wouldn't listen to Amaya's opinion over Bioware games, anyways. He doesn't care about story.
After thinking it over, I think ME2 was probably the best Mass Effect made when you include the DLC.
Mass Effect 3 just really left me wanting. I was REALLY disappointed that I didn't get to bring along a lot of people from ME2.
I mean, really. There was no point in romancing someone who was solely in ME2 because you only get a very short gameplay segment with them. I really wanted to just get them back in my party and take them along.
The current ending is, obviously, the biggest letdown. I'm pretty entrenched in the indoctrination theory, though. If I was Bioware, I would cling to that as much as possible even if it wasn't their original idea.
2012/04/04 22:45:28
Subject: Mass Effect 3 Gameplay & Storyline Discussion
Definitely agree DA2 was unfinished. I mean look at the menus. They're horrible! And who was the genius who put the only bow wielding companion in the game on the DLC list?
Karon wrote:DA2 was just unpolished and unfinished. The concept was good and the actual gameplay was good, but it wasn't anywhere near as good as Dragon Age:Origins.
I wouldn't listen to Amaya's opinion over Bioware games, anyways. He doesn't care about story.
After thinking it over, I think ME2 was probably the best Mass Effect made when you include the DLC.
Mass Effect 3 just really left me wanting. I was REALLY disappointed that I didn't get to bring along a lot of people from ME2.
I mean, really. There was no point in romancing someone who was solely in ME2 because you only get a very short gameplay segment with them. I really wanted to just get them back in my party and take them along.
The current ending is, obviously, the biggest letdown. I'm pretty entrenched in the indoctrination theory, though. If I was Bioware, I would cling to that as much as possible even if it wasn't their original idea.
Keep thinking that.
You want me to dig up my thread pointing out why ME2 is the best Bioware game ever and possibly the best RPG ever made?
Oh yeah, it's primarily because the story, characters are freaking awesome and it helps that the gameplay is actually enjoyable. So far. I'm enjoying ME3 even more.
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I even teared up when the Geth and Quarians united.
I could make a list of games with exceptional stories that have mediocre gameplay, but I still love them. The problem with me comes from games with mediocre stories and bad gameplay, such as Dragon Age: Origins.
Hell, Morrowind has a freaking terrible combat system and I LOVE that game because the setting and MQ are among the best ever created. Hell, that game probably has the best video game world ever made. Vvardenfall is beautiful even with dated graphics.
I apologize, and I have agreed with your assessment of ME2 being the best RPG ever made since I completed the game.
ME3 just really lost a lot of the character interaction I really grew to love in ME2 to the point where I played it three times over a year and a half span.
I honestly was really bummed when I realized I couldn't take Jack (and others) with me after I met them.
TBH, I think ME3 was rushed because of EA. They said the reason was because "they wanted the squad size to be smaller to get better interaction between characters", which is complete bs. I didn't notice any deeper interaction with characters than I did in ME2. There was likely less overall because there WAS less characters to interact with.
When you add in one of the worst endings for a game possibly ever if they don't release DLC picking up after Shepard breaks the indoctrination at the end of the "red" ending, ME2 is the superior game for me right now. Even if they do release a badass ending and I shake off the effects of prisoner of the moment, I think I will end up saying ME2 was the better game overall.
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It's not a problem Karon. I specifically named Mass Effect and Dragon Age in my comment about gameplay > story because I wasn't incredibly impressed with either one's story (especially DA) and didn't care much for the combat in either one.
Lack of interaction with squad mates is one of the negative aspects of ME3 despite some really great moments in it. I actually really like the James Vega character to the point where I take him on every mission regardless of who'll be facing.
Spoiler:
The fight with James, shooting on top of the Praesidium with Garrus, and catching Ashley Williams drunk off her ass were all great moments but they don't make up for the lack of dialogue and lack of dialogue options imo.
Amaya wrote:It's not a problem Karon. I specifically named Mass Effect and Dragon Age in my comment about gameplay > story because I wasn't incredibly impressed with either one's story (especially DA) and didn't care much for the combat in either one.
Lack of interaction with squad mates is one of the negative aspects of ME3 despite some really great moments in it. I actually really like the James Vega character to the point where I take him on every mission regardless of who'll be facing.
Spoiler:
The fight with James, shooting on top of the Praesidium with Garrus, and catching Ashley Williams drunk off her ass were all great moments but they don't make up for the lack of dialogue and lack of dialogue options imo.
A lot of my whining at you was directed at that you say Mass Effect and I assume you mean the entire series and not just the first one - which I agree was lackluster.
By no means am I trying to say ME3 is a bad game by any stretch. The shortcoming of ME3 I blame entirely on EA because they rush every game and don't give a single feth about their customers.
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