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Amaya wrote:It's good so far, but it feels like it's fairly short.
I made the mistake of not finishing every side quest before doing priority missions so I'll have to replay it.
Spoiler:
Apparently I have doomed Jack to death as a Phantom...damn
How's that happen?
Spoiler:
It can happen in one of several ways I think. The one I know is that if you don't do the Grissom Academy mission within 3 missions of receiving it, it becomes unavailable and Jack appears later as a phantom.
In a similar note, if you kill Samara in ME2 and choose Morinth instead, Morinth will appear during Priority: Earth as a Banshee.
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Are there any other quests that have "time limits"? There's Grissom Academy. The Benning one needs to be completed before the Cerberus Coup and the Suicide Mission from ME2 should actually be completed in a timely fashion to save the crew. Those are the ones that I'm aware of anyway.
2012/04/05 06:15:29
Subject: Mass Effect 3 Gameplay & Storyline Discussion
As someone who has only played ME3, I never got to meet Jack, Samara or Thane....
Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:All I can say is... thank you vodo40k...
Zweischneid wrote:No way man. A Space Marine in itself is scary. But a Marine WITHOUT helmet wears at least 3-times as much plot-armour as a Marine with helmet. And heaven forbid if the Marine would also happen to have an intimidating looking, vertical scar. Then you're surly boned. Those guys are the worst. Not a chance I'd say.
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REDWOOD CITY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--BioWare, a Label of Electronic Arts Inc. announced Mass Effect™ 3: Extended Cut, a downloadable content pack that will expand upon the events at the end of the critically acclaimed Action RPG. Through additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes, the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut will give fans seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes. Coming this summer, the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut will be available for download on the Xbox 360® videogame and entertainment system, PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system and PC for no extra charge*.
“We are all incredibly proud of Mass Effect 3 and the work done by Casey Hudson and team,” said Dr. Ray Muzyka, Co-Founder of BioWare and General Manager of EA’s BioWare Label. “Since launch, we have had time to listen to the feedback from our most passionate fans and we are responding. With the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut we think we have struck a good balance in delivering the answers players are looking for while maintaining the team’s artistic vision for the end of this story arc in the Mass Effect universe.”
Casey Hudson, Executive Producer of the Mass Effect series added, “We have reprioritized our post-launch development efforts to provide the fans who want more closure with even more context and clarity to the ending of the game, in a way that will feel more personalized for each player.”
The Mass Effect franchise is one of the most highly decorated series in the history of games, having earned over 250 awards from critics around the world. Mass Effect 3 launched last month to universal critical acclaim, receiving over 75 perfect scores. For more information on Mass Effect 3, please visit http://masseffect.com, follow the game on Twitter at http://twitter.com/masseffect or “like” the game on Facebook at http://facebook.com/masseffect. Press assets for Mass Effect 3 are available at www.info.ea.com.
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You read that right. It's going to be free. For the moment anyway.
It's still just going to be "clarification". A bit disappointing. Don't need to see a turd in HD to know that it's a turd. I'll be interested to see what they do, though.
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2012/04/05 15:29:44
Subject: Mass Effect 3 Gameplay & Storyline Discussion
Cheers and no worries, wasn't expecting it, just thought I'd ask. Thanks for getting it up there.
Regarding the info, seems interesting, have to wonder how it will actually work.
Although I need to actually get up and finish my game, of course I need to get mutliplayer back up to 100% first.
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Free* DLC Pack to Provide Additional Cinematic Scenes to the Ending of Mass Effect 3 this Summer
REDWOOD CITY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--BioWare, a Label of Electronic Arts Inc. announced Mass Effect™ 3: Extended Cut, a downloadable content pack that will expand upon the events at the end of the critically acclaimed Action RPG. Through additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes, the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut will give fans seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes. Coming this summer, the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut will be available for download on the Xbox 360® videogame and entertainment system, PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system and PC for no extra charge*.
“We are all incredibly proud of Mass Effect 3 and the work done by Casey Hudson and team,” said Dr. Ray Muzyka, Co-Founder of BioWare and General Manager of EA’s BioWare Label. “Since launch, we have had time to listen to the feedback from our most passionate fans and we are responding. With the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut we think we have struck a good balance in delivering the answers players are looking for while maintaining the team’s artistic vision for the end of this story arc in the Mass Effect universe.”
Casey Hudson, Executive Producer of the Mass Effect series added, “We have reprioritized our post-launch development efforts to provide the fans who want more closure with even more context and clarity to the ending of the game, in a way that will feel more personalized for each player.”
The Mass Effect franchise is one of the most highly decorated series in the history of games, having earned over 250 awards from critics around the world. Mass Effect 3 launched last month to universal critical acclaim, receiving over 75 perfect scores. For more information on Mass Effect 3, please visit http://masseffect.com, follow the game on Twitter at http://twitter.com/masseffect or “like” the game on Facebook at http://facebook.com/masseffect. Press assets for Mass Effect 3 are available at www.info.ea.com
Personally I think this is the worst possible news that could have come out of this. They hide behind the sentiment that the end of the game was their "artistic vision" but I seriously am having trouble wrapping my head around that. The idea that their ENTIRE writing team signed off on what we got and said "Yeah, this looks right. That's a wrap." is so alien to me. It took the fans all of a week to point out a multitude of MAJOR plot holes, and the writers worked on this for two YEARS and missed those? They were either rushed and released a sloppy product, or they are seeing things about the ending that are clear as day to them, but obviously lost in translation.
I really believed the Indoctrination Theory had the right of it, because it fits so incredibly well with what we got as an ending. Perhaps I'll just have to remain in denial and pretend that theory is correct despite this news. That might be the only way I'll be satisfied with the game.
"Duty is heavier than a mountain, death lighter than a feather."
I really believed the Indoctrination Theory had the right of it, because it fits so incredibly well with what we got as an ending. Perhaps I'll just have to remain in denial and pretend that theory is correct despite this news. That might be the only way I'll be satisfied with the game.
Yeah, the issue really was that there weren't enough hints throughout the game, inserting strangeness here and there that hints at indoctrination and reminding people of the telltale signs throughout would have helped
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2012/04/05 16:48:37
Subject: Mass Effect 3 Gameplay & Storyline Discussion
Amaya wrote:You do realize that they can't come out and say yes the indoctrination theory is correct if they want to pull off a big reveal?
I dont see why not, even if it wasn't their intent (which i hope to God it was) It would make me and im sure many others feel a hell of allot better about the ending. If Bioware had just confirmed Shepard was becoming indoctrinated near the end and put in a bit of needed exposition I would have been very happy with the three colour rainbow.
Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:All I can say is... thank you vodo40k...
Zweischneid wrote:No way man. A Space Marine in itself is scary. But a Marine WITHOUT helmet wears at least 3-times as much plot-armour as a Marine with helmet. And heaven forbid if the Marine would also happen to have an intimidating looking, vertical scar. Then you're surly boned. Those guys are the worst. Not a chance I'd say.
2012/04/05 17:57:06
Subject: Mass Effect 3 Gameplay & Storyline Discussion
Amaya wrote:You do realize that they can't come out and say yes the indoctrination theory is correct if they want to pull off a big reveal?
Sure they could but they won't cause I'm about 90% convinced now that the theory was never a reality (Ignoring that using it is still bad writing). All the ending needs is clarity. Will it be the greatest ending ever? No. But the main problem with the current ending is how confusing it is. More context would solve that right up and not be anywhere near as much work as the "it was all a dream" ending that has us redoing all the things we just dreamed about.
Someone actually proposed throwing in a text based epilogue ala DA:O and I agreed with him. We don't need to redo the ending we just need clarification.
My biggest problem is that the ending of the game seems to have been written by an entirely different team of writers than the first two games, and 95% of the third game. When held up to the established lore and tone of the series, the endings we got are COMPLETELY out of left field, and take all choice away from the player. It's a major tonal shift full of plot holes, and it really makes me think of an M. Night Shyamalan twist. If you're going to pull that kind of BS, a little warning might have been nice.
"Duty is heavier than a mountain, death lighter than a feather."
Well ME3 is the first Mass Effect not to have Drew Karpyshyn as the lead writer. Conclusion? Karpyshyn was the only guy in Bioware who knew how to write an ending.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:I'm happy with this. An extended ending is good. Not a changed one.
An ending along the lines of the Indoctrination Theory would have been an expansion, not a change. It just requires a different interpretation of what we got on the disk.
If the expanded ending we get clarifies all of the questions and logically seals up the plot holes so that everything makes sense, then I can be happy with that, but it's a tall order, and considering BioWare's apparent surprise at the fan outrage, I'm having a hard time believing that's what we will get.
Only time will tell. It's set to come out "this summer", which means anywhere between June and August. Hopefully it's sooner rather than later.
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"Duty is heavier than a mountain, death lighter than a feather."
KamikazeCanuck wrote:I'm happy with this. An extended ending is good. Not a changed one.
An ending along the lines of the Indoctrination Theory would have been an expansion, not a change. It just requires a different interpretation of what we got on the disk.
If the expanded ending we get clarifies all of the questions and logically seals up the plot holes so that everything makes sense, then I can be happy with that, but it's a tall order, and considering BioWare's apparent surprise at the fan outrage, I'm having a hard time believing that's what we will get.
Only time will tell. It's set to come out "this summer", which means anywhere between June and August. Hopefully it's sooner rather than later.
The absolute worst thing would be the indoctrination "theory". I hate it. It's just something a few fans came up with and its horrible. "It was all a dream" is not a good ending in any medium.
2012/04/05 20:41:20
Subject: Mass Effect 3 Gameplay & Storyline Discussion
Why is anyone thinking it's a "dream"? At worst, it's just a STORY being told long after the fact. Nothing in that part of the ending says "it's a dream".
2012/04/06 00:16:34
Subject: Mass Effect 3 Gameplay & Storyline Discussion
I really hope they are selling this "Extended Cut" short in that it will be the full ending.
I will be extremely disappointed in Bioware if they don't follow the Indoctrination Theory or make an ending that makes as much sense as it does.
Nothing else can explain all the plot holes, even gameplay holes where your pistol doesn't have to reload.
I can totally see them "Yeah, here's the Extended cut...ITS THE WHOLE fething ENDING WE TRICKED ALL OF YOU TROLOLOL", but I doubt it heavily.
I guess all we can do is hope. I have no idea what happened to their writing team for the last 10 minutes of the game, but they must have been on PCP or some gak.
The thing about the ending is not that it detracts from my enjoyment of the rest of the series, but that it makes me very wary about buying a Bioware product in the future.
Seriously, you just crafted the greatest scifi epic of the past decade and this is how you end it? W T F?
Amaya wrote:It's good so far, but it feels like it's fairly short.
I made the mistake of not finishing every side quest before doing priority missions so I'll have to replay it.
Spoiler:
Apparently I have doomed Jack to death as a Phantom...damn
How's that happen?
Spoiler:
It can happen in one of several ways I think. The one I know is that if you don't do the Grissom Academy mission within 3 missions of receiving it, it becomes unavailable and Jack appears later as a phantom.
In a similar note, if you kill Samara in ME2 and choose Morinth instead, Morinth will appear during Priority: Earth as a Banshee.
Oh, I am already looking forward to my second playthrough. I guess there's not much left to do at Grissom Academy when you didn't save David in Overlord anyway.
Automatically Appended Next Post: btw. there is a seperate thread for the ending.
