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Martel732 wrote:
I can build a PC to run SC2 for 400 USD. You can't build an army of anything in 40K for 460 USD. As a game, SC2 is so far ahead of 40K it's disgusting.

Actually my Nurgle Daemons came in under that at 2000 Pts

You can put together a small but decent force of 1500-2000 pts for 460-ish, especially if you hit up the Swap Shop, Ebay or discounters

Isn't Swap shop limited to UK/US?

No.

I've sent stuff to Australia and Russia before, and got stuff back or payment for it. Great is the power of Paypal

The rule is that you list the country when you set up the post, so that the other person knows what kind of shipping they are looking at.

Ah pay pal so you need credit cards. awesome . That is like saying "when you get a good job , a house , a car and a wife and a good bank account , you will then be able to buy GW stuff cheaper" , not very helpful.

Makumba wrote:
Ah pay pal so you need credit cards. awesome . That is like saying "when you get a good job , a house , a car and a wife and a good bank account , you will then be able to buy GW stuff cheaper" , not very helpful.

I'm 20, haven't got a job, house or significant other and I've got a credit card. I really don't see the problem.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Makumba wrote:
Ah pay pal so you need credit cards. awesome . That is like saying "when you get a good job , a house , a car and a wife and a good bank account , you will then be able to buy GW stuff cheaper" , not very helpful.

I'm 20, haven't got a job, house or significant other and I've got a credit card. I really don't see the problem.

You don't even need a credit card....a bank account will suffice, which anyone can get.

Exactly, Pay Pal has had quite some improvements.
I've even set it up to take the money directly from my account, so I don't even need to send anything to them myself.

So what would the best way to make an Honor Guard unit be? It looks like the current kit is branded with Ultramarine markings......

I would also need to know best way to get power axe and relic blade bits....

 NickTheButcher wrote:
So what would the best way to make an Honor Guard unit be? It looks like the current kit is branded with Ultramarine markings......

I would also need to know best way to get power axe and relic blade bits....

The new sternguard kit is so ornate, you could pass them off as honor guard with little effort. Just need to swap weapons around. Same with the Vanguard kit, although they are not as overwrought as their sternguard cousins. But that kit contains a relic blade and at least one axe, I'd have to check and see if there are more on the sprue.

The old DA upgrade sprue has a number of swords that could serve as relic blades as well.

 Nevelon wrote:

 NickTheButcher wrote:
So what would the best way to make an Honor Guard unit be? It looks like the current kit is branded with Ultramarine markings......

I would also need to know best way to get power axe and relic blade bits....

The new sternguard kit is so ornate, you could pass them off as honor guard with little effort. Just need to swap weapons around. Same with the Vanguard kit, although they are not as overwrought as their sternguard cousins. But that kit contains a relic blade and at least one axe, I'd have to check and see if there are more on the sprue.

The old DA upgrade sprue has a number of swords that could serve as relic blades as well.

Awesome. I have 2 boxes of Sternguard on order, but those will actually be Sternguard. I do have a new box of VV ordered as well, and I don't think I'll be actually using them as VV though, so I can certainly use the weapons from there. Maybe the DA Vets with the VV weapons would work nicely.

oh yes, I was oogling Honour guard today for my Crimson Fists, Pedro Kantor + 10 Honour guard (with relic blades against MC armies)... Hubba hubba! (cheaper than 10 Sternguard too)

But yeah, I will buy the sternguard kits instead as well ^^

 NickTheButcher wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

 NickTheButcher wrote:
So what would the best way to make an Honor Guard unit be? It looks like the current kit is branded with Ultramarine markings......

I would also need to know best way to get power axe and relic blade bits....

The new sternguard kit is so ornate, you could pass them off as honor guard with little effort. Just need to swap weapons around. Same with the Vanguard kit, although they are not as overwrought as their sternguard cousins. But that kit contains a relic blade and at least one axe, I'd have to check and see if there are more on the sprue.

The old DA upgrade sprue has a number of swords that could serve as relic blades as well.

Awesome. I have 2 boxes of Sternguard on order, but those will actually be Sternguard. I do have a new box of VV ordered as well, and I don't think I'll be actually using them as VV though, so I can certainly use the weapons from there. Maybe the DA Vets with the VV weapons would work nicely.

The VV box comes with a Relic blade and at least one axe, there is also a less ornate axe in the assault squad box. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of power swords in both kits too.

 NickTheButcher wrote:

I'm 20, haven't got a job, house or significant other and I've got a credit card. I really don't see the problem.

You don't even need a credit card....a bank account will suffice, which anyone can get.

Makumba wrote:

Not here. To get an account in any bank here you either need a job[16+ only unless a judges lets you works sooner] or have a pension [dead parents or beind disabled or having a stypendium of some sort , but those money can only be spend on stuff for school].

I suppose that would be much more difficult for people under 16, but if you have no job, then how are supporting the hobby? If your parents help you, than they can simply get a paypal account for online purchases. If my kids wanted to start an army, I'd be more than willing to do it in a way that saves as much money as possible.

They just fixed the bikes and let command squads take special weapons again.

 davou wrote:
They just fixed the bikes and let command squads take special weapons again.

WOOT!

I may enjoy taking a Command Squad with Vulkan in a Drop Pod now.

Also, for Honour Guard, the standard Grey Knight box is where you need to luck. Cut off/file down the Inquisition symbols and books, and you've got 5 guys in ornate armour with either greatswords for relic blades, cool-looking falchions for power swords, and unique helmets. Mixing them with regular marines bits helps make them look less grey-knight-esque, which the SG or VV box would certainly help with.

They're also much cheaper than any equivalent option, being $35USD for 5 with enough greatswords or falchions to do whatever you want with them, and a handy thunder hammer. I made a ktibashed Gabriel Angelos, 5 honour guard, and replaced all the finecrap swords on the old vanguard with one box, and still had stuff left over to donate to a Blood Angels player to customize some of his units.

The Halberds are also Power Axes when you're playing anything other than Grey Knights. PA GK is where I'm going to go for weapons, helmets and stuff for my BT Honour Guard.

 davou wrote:
They just fixed the bikes and let command squads take special weapons again.

So, as suspected by many, the Command Squad thing really was an omission. They really can't get these "veteran" type units right, can they? Chaos Termies and the DA Command and Veteran units all needed errata for wargear options.

I just modelled a Sanguinary Guard with the GK-Halberds, that would make for some an awesome Relic Bladed Honour Guard.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So, as suspected by many, the Command Squad thing really was an omission. They really can't get these "veteran" type units right, can they? Chaos Termies and the DA Command and Veteran units all needed errata for wargear options.

It's a direct result from forcing almost every unit into a universal wargear-template.
As someone who updates his own "army builder-software" it's a blessing, but it can cause for some issues.

I only feel bad for people who bought a 90 Euro codex that already has a FAQ after two days.

Can honor guard have jump packs?

Martel732 wrote:
Can honor guard have jump packs?

Nope, but they have gigantic wings and nobody sees the Jump Packs
It's a small price that I have to pay for not playing BA anymore.

But I will predict that our Honour Guard will have Jump Packs in a year!
And when I look at the Honour Guard, I am really looking forward to the SG. They'll be awesome!

Gonna miss divination. However, the land speeder storm with assault scouts makes me happy.

Kangodo wrote:
I just modelled a Sanguinary Guard with the GK-Halberds, that would make for some an awesome Relic Bladed Honour Guard.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So, as suspected by many, the Command Squad thing really was an omission. They really can't get these "veteran" type units right, can they? Chaos Termies and the DA Command and Veteran units all needed errata for wargear options.

It's a direct result from forcing almost every unit into a universal wargear-template.
As someone who updates his own "army builder-software" it's a blessing, but it can cause for some issues.

I only feel bad for people who bought a 90 Euro codex that already has a FAQ after two days.

The Eldar had an FAQ out the day of release IIRC.

Martel732 wrote:
Gonna miss divination. However, the land speeder storm with assault scouts makes me happy.

You can always take Tigurius as an ally
He's the same price as our LvL2 Librarian with a Plasma Pistol.
But he is lvl3, has perfect BA-rules and can almost 'pick' his powers while hardly failing any Psychic test and he has an almost perfect Warlord-trait.

My plan is on a Ravenguard ASM-list with Razorbacks, led by Korvydae (I could perhaps take Shrike to Infiltrate my scoring ASM)
And I will ally Tigurius with Scouts, maybe take a group of Sternguard and put Tiggy in a droppod with them.

So far, based of what I own, I am looking at Shrike, level 2 libby with jump pack and telepathy, two squads of ASM, two scouts squads in storms, two tac squads with plasma in razors w/las plas, two tacs on foot with h bolters, two pred annihilators, one stalker and aegis line with quad gun.

I'll only need to get the Storms and the Stalker. I have no idea if this will be good or not. I probably need to work in some bikers with grav.

Once again the BT have been left in the dark, its a shame that this game had to swing so violently towards RNG. But don't get me wrong, 6th Ed has made the game much more exciting.
I'm just peeved that BT have been left in limbo, with GW attempting to keep BT fluffy with CC/ challenges whilst slapping a memo down saying "Less CC, More Pew Pew!"

I'm not a competitive player and enjoy creating a list around lore, but I'm finding myself gradually leaning towards converting my BT to Crimson Fist/ Iron Hands for the sake of actually ENJOYING MY GAMES!

Sadface.

Kangodo wrote:
I just modelled a Sanguinary Guard with the GK-Halberds, that would make for some an awesome Relic Bladed Honour Guard.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So, as suspected by many, the Command Squad thing really was an omission. They really can't get these "veteran" type units right, can they? Chaos Termies and the DA Command and Veteran units all needed errata for wargear options.

It's a direct result from forcing almost every unit into a universal wargear-template.
As someone who updates his own "army builder-software" it's a blessing, but it can cause for some issues.

I only feel bad for people who bought a 90 Euro codex that already has a FAQ after two days.

Kangodo, that is exactly what I hope to do for some new honor guard.

File off the scattered Blood Angel Iconography and I reckon they'd look pretty sweet. And then you added the Grey Knight halberds to them? As someone else previously mentioned, I also have a box of Vanguard incoming so I'll see how I like them for that role as well considering I doubt they will actually be used as Vanguard.

Why file it off? They might be SG again when the BA codex drops

That depends on the Chapter you take.
If you want Raven Guard, keep the icons!
And keep them anyway, it'll be awesome.

Although you will never have them as awesome as me My metallic gold-spray forces me to buy more Sanguinary Guard!