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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
AegisGrimm wrote: Nothing about an Astartes would make a female anything more than a head swap. Astartes are just fantasy knights in space, but at least in Brettonia woman could be a knight and wear plate if she felt like it. Changing 25+years of fluff to justify a head swap seems like a bit too much work.
Ahh but the reason these threads bring up so much debate is cause those people don't want a simple head swap...Most who want female space marines want a feminine looking miniature to field who should be sort of hot looking and a simple head swap will not suffice.
Mind you this is not everyone on this forum and said miniature doesn't have to be dressed in a metal bikini bolt gun blazing (though that would sell pretty well imho), but the general desire is to have a marine who looks like a female....a bad ass female in power armor, but a female all the same.
Kojiro wrote: But I thought it was implied in my comments that I was only talking about those they actually look at.
If, for example, you are forming a mercenary band, and you only ever recruit from balding white men who are exactly five foot ten and whom have a distant family relation to you, you're going to miss a large number of able bodied recruits.
Even if you only recruit "the best" of these people, you're still missing out on the non-bald, non-white, non-men, who are taller or shorter than 5'10", and whom have no familial relationship to you, many of whom could very well be far better applicants than the ones you did accept.
The Space Marines recruit more exclusively than the aforementioned mercenary band. The Imperial Guard recruits more of "the best" than Space Marines do explicitly BECAUSE they're less arbitrarily exclusive.
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AegisGrimm wrote: Nothing about an Astartes would make a female anything more than a head swap. Astartes are just fantasy knights in space, but at least in Brettonia woman could be a knight and wear plate if she felt like it. Changing 25+years of fluff to justify a head swap seems like a bit too much work.
Ahh but the reason these threads bring up so much debate is cause those people don't want a simple head swap...Most who want female space marines want a feminine looking miniature to field who should be sort of hot looking and a simple head swap will not suffice.
Mind you this is not everyone on this forum and said miniature doesn't have to be dressed in a metal bikini bolt gun blazing (though that would sell pretty well imho), but the general desire is to have a marine who looks like a female....a bad ass female in power armor, but a female all the same.
This would probably sell very well
KILL IT WITH FIRE
Its not that awful, jeez. plus she as an armor save of 3+ so you'd need melta or plasma instead
also I use that picture only cause its the most decent depiction of what most people are talking about when they describe female formed power armor...please feel free to ignore/threaten/kill with fire the anime head and hair.
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AegisGrimm wrote: Nothing about an Astartes would make a female anything more than a head swap. Astartes are just fantasy knights in space, but at least in Brettonia woman could be a knight and wear plate if she felt like it. Changing 25+years of fluff to justify a head swap seems like a bit too much work.
Ahh but the reason these threads bring up so much debate is cause those people don't want a simple head swap...Most who want female space marines want a feminine looking miniature to field who should be sort of hot looking and a simple head swap will not suffice.
Mind you this is not everyone on this forum and said miniature doesn't have to be dressed in a metal bikini bolt gun blazing (though that would sell pretty well imho), but the general desire is to have a marine who looks like a female....a bad ass female in power armor, but a female all the same.
This would probably sell very well
She could purge me if she wanted ,
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Interesting that rule 63 only seems to apply to things in anime style "art".
Personnally, I obvyously think that that thing would most certainly sell,
I would not buy one, but wapanese and weeboos would jump at the chance (did I use the right words then?)
I'l be honest, I like the "badass female" character set as much as the next guy, but Less in the sense of
"big tits, big gun"
More in the sense of characters like ripley (although we saw a lot of leg in the first movie).
Kojiro wrote: But I thought it was implied in my comments that I was only talking about those they actually look at.
If, for example, you are forming a mercenary band, and you only ever recruit from balding white men who are exactly five foot ten and whom have a distant family relation to you, you're going to miss a large number of able bodied recruits.
Even if you only recruit "the best" of these people, you're still missing out on the non-bald, non-white, non-men, who are taller or shorter than 5'10", and whom have no familial relationship to you, many of whom could very well be far better applicants than the ones you did accept.
The Space Marines recruit more exclusively than the aforementioned mercenary band. The Imperial Guard recruits more of "the best" than Space Marines do explicitly BECAUSE they're less arbitrarily exclusive.
Are you using hyperbole? I'm not sure what chapter only recruits people with a family relation to them.
Anyway, I'm never quite sure what we're arguing in these threads. If we're arguing that we want feminine Space Marines, as in, more feminine features, that's something I don't particularly want because it goes against the big buff aesthetic of Space Marines. If we're arguing that we want big buff female Space Marines, it really just comes down to a fluff issue, because you wouldn't be able to tell the difference on the models anyway.
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the shrouded lord wrote: She could purge me if she wanted ,
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Interesting that rule 63 only seems to apply to things in anime style "art".
Because the people who are in to anime are the most screwed up as well
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: I'm not sure what chapter only recruits people with a family relation to them.
All of them do; they require genetic similarity to the gene-seed. If you aren't genetically compatible enough, the gene-seed rejects you and you die a horrible and painful death.
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Melissia wrote: The Imperial Guard recruits more of "the best" than Space Marines do explicitly BECAUSE they're less arbitrarily exclusive.
Are you using hyperbole? I'm not sure what chapter only recruits people with a family relation to them.
Well, there's probably one that does out there... But I guess Melissia is getting at the fact that the only characteristic a Chapter MUST look for is a compatibility with their geneseed. Being the strongest, fastest, most cunning survivor and ferocious male warrior on their recruiting world is worth absolutely nothing if he's not compatible. And whatever his base health and intelligence the process of molding him into a marine will make it totally irrelevant. The implants stimulate such insane growth of muscles and bone structure that it matters not if you were Arnold or a 5' 4'' 100 pound scavenger before it, and the psycho-indoctrination will make an adequate marine of even caveman barbarians.
Chapters that bother with trials by combat or other deadly tests are in reality just wasting potential recruits. But it's become tradition and that's how they do it.
Arnold is too old at this point to be noticably changed by the process anyway. Most of the recruits would be around a hundred pounds simply because of their age and the fact that they're on feral/feudal worlds.
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Orkses is never defeated in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
Please, everyone knows real women are perfect hourglass's.
For that matter, hourglasses don't work that way!
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
Well, at least I didn't give her a boob plate. Besides, those are just sketches I did on the fly with 0 references, so, they aren't that accurate (anatomy and armor wise).
Orkses is never defeated in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!
Well, at least I didn't give her a boob plate. Besides, those are just sketches I did on the fly with 0 references, so, they aren't that accurate (anatomy and armor wise).
Buff her up massively, especially waist, knees, head, elbows, and neck, and you might be getting somewhere.
Well, at least I didn't give her a boob plate. Besides, those are just sketches I did on the fly with 0 references, so, they aren't that accurate (anatomy and armor wise).
By giving her that ridiculously long 'waist' that cuts under the floating ribs (which Marines don't have, by the way, they've got solid extended slabs of bone), you basically did though.
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A female Space Marine should have a thick, heavily muscled waist. Honestly, a female Space Marine's should be very masculine. I think the fact GW only portrays Space Marines as white skinheads is a little bit more of a pressing issue that can be remedied in the fluff.
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trexmeyer wrote: A female Space Marine should have a thick, heavily muscled waist. Honestly, a female Space Marine's should be very masculine. I think the fact GW only portrays Space Marines as white skinheads is a little bit more of a pressing issue that can be remedied in the fluff.
To be fair, there are Salamanders. It's not much but it's something.
And some of them have hair. It's just that Astartes Pattern Baldness is apparently seen as a sacred thing.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Unless it is a sacred wig STC, mind you.
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Isn't the "skinhead" thing simply because that's what is most comfortable if you spend a large portion of your time wearing a helmet? Just seems like the logical thing to do. It's more strange that Space Wolves are so often hairy, I just imagine the Space Wolves who are wearing a helmet having a mess of hair under there.
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Isn't the "skinhead" thing simply because that's what is most comfortable if you spend a large portion of your time wearing a helmet? Just seems like the logical thing to do. It's more strange that Space Wolves are so often hairy, I just imagine the Space Wolves who are wearing a helmet having a mess of hair under there.
Astartes hair seems to come in two flavors. Long flowing mullets that are perfect for catching nearby breezes, and the famed "astartes pattern baldness".
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: Isn't the "skinhead" thing simply because that's what is most comfortable if you spend a large portion of your time wearing a helmet? Just seems like the logical thing to do. It's more strange that Space Wolves are so often hairy, I just imagine the Space Wolves who are wearing a helmet having a mess of hair under there.
Pretty much, I always figured they had the serfs shave it off for them. Except for those chapters that seem far more comfortable about having hair or having way too much of it (Blood Ravens and Space Wolves)
trexmeyer wrote: A female Space Marine should have a thick, heavily muscled waist. Honestly, a female Space Marine's should be very masculine. I think the fact GW only portrays Space Marines as white skinheads is a little bit more of a pressing issue that can be remedied in the fluff.
To be fair, there are Salamanders. It's not much but it's something.
And some of them have hair. It's just that Astartes Pattern Baldness is apparently seen as a sacred thing.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Unless it is a sacred wig STC, mind you.
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: Isn't the "skinhead" thing simply because that's what is most comfortable if you spend a large portion of your time wearing a helmet? Just seems like the logical thing to do. It's more strange that Space Wolves are so often hairy, I just imagine the Space Wolves who are wearing a helmet having a mess of hair under there.
It's really not difficult to tie your hair up and fit it under a hat. Would it really be much harder to fit it under a helmet? Where are the short haircuts? Why do Space Marines look liked 40 year old juiced to the gills powerlifters?
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: Isn't the "skinhead" thing simply because that's what is most comfortable if you spend a large portion of your time wearing a helmet? Just seems like the logical thing to do. It's more strange that Space Wolves are so often hairy, I just imagine the Space Wolves who are wearing a helmet having a mess of hair under there.
It's really not difficult to tie your hair up and fit it under a hat. Would it really be much harder to fit it under a helmet? Where are the short haircuts? Why do Space Marines look liked 40 year old juiced to the gills powerlifters?
You mean besides all the extra organs, the genetic engineering, the intense training, and the constant use of a power suit that attachs to them in a literal sense?
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