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 plastictrees wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
WOW.. I didn't buy the pdf in anticipation of this.. which I only really found out about a week or two ago.. and.. apparently not buying the pdf screws people out of a free mini.. lol awesome start!

You can add the mini for $6.50. Really not a big deal and a nod to people who did pay money for the pdf.

Is the game pretty terrain dense?

You...could say that...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=this+is+not+a+test+game+board&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjBjtbatrLLAhWwbZoKHdc7DMwQ_AUIBygB&biw=1320&bih=699#imgrc=tl_ujbR4TaGgCM%3A

Johnny Atomic can be yours for $6.50 and comes with a 25mm plastic base. Sculpted by Shane Hoyle and comes unpainted. Remember, if you previously purchased the PDF rules, Johnny rides with you for free.

Joseph/Deathwing, How does this work? Do I have to tell you I bought the PDF when you send out the survey?

I think it's tied to your Email that you gave on Worldsendpublishing or wargame vault. I may have to shoot the boss a line because my WGV email may differ from my kickstarter one.

i have an account on worldsend iirc, which i made when i bought the pdf.

Backed. This is a great game, and I'd love to see it take off further. Hardback rulebook is gorgeous (PDF is very lovely), and I recommend it heartilly!

What if I bought the rules already?

We absolutely love our early adopters! Everyone who has bought the rules prior to the launch of this Kickstarter gets a free limited edition miniature add-on Johnny Atomic, the Voice of the Wasteland! If you previously bought the rules from either Wargames Vault or the World’s End Publishing Website, we will be able to verify your purchase. Just use the email address you used to purchase the original pdf. New email address? Contact us.

So either it gets taken care of automatically or you just send them an email before it gets sorted and work it out that way.

So to have ALL THE SCENARIOS (because I don't want to have ALL THE MODELS, converting is more fun for me in this instance...) you buy the book (for the core set) get the first scenario tacked on free now that we passed goal one. Can get the second batch of 3 scenarios for 2 bucks instead of 3, and then there are the two currently existing PDFs for the wasteland essentials and cannibal mutants, I think both of those come with scenarios and even if CM doesn't... hate to miss out on a faction.

oops wrong thread

 GrimDork wrote:

What if I bought the rules already?

We absolutely love our early adopters! Everyone who has bought the rules prior to the launch of this Kickstarter gets a free limited edition miniature add-on Johnny Atomic, the Voice of the Wasteland! If you previously bought the rules from either Wargames Vault or the World’s End Publishing Website, we will be able to verify your purchase. Just use the email address you used to purchase the original pdf. New email address? Contact us.

So either it gets taken care of automatically or you just send them an email before it gets sorted and work it out that way.

So to have ALL THE SCENARIOS (because I don't want to have ALL THE MODELS, converting is more fun for me in this instance...) you buy the book (for the core set) get the first scenario tacked on free now that we passed goal one. Can get the second batch of 3 scenarios for 2 bucks instead of 3, and then there are the two currently existing PDFs for the wasteland essentials and cannibal mutants, I think both of those come with scenarios and even if CM doesn't... hate to miss out on a faction.

Correct, but be sure to download the free-demo-game kit, as it also includes a unique scenario. :-)

Wahah? Excellent!

Don't worry about the emails. You just leave a note when you get your survey and it will be taking care of. Thanks for the support everyone.

Mate, you should update the 1st post/thread title with a link to the KS

Righto, I've backed this, though I'm a bit worried when they say the book might not be available after the KS. I plan to demo this at a club to get people interested and if they ask where they can get that lovely book I'm supposed to tell them you can't get the physical book anymore? Can't the company speak to someone like Osprey, or along those lines?


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Also seems like an unnecessarily long campaign as well!

And backed. The Wasteland Veteran pledge level is a nice gesture, plus the shipping isn't murder either like some US kickstarters, good show!



Certainly a good thing to wake up to IMHO.

Awesome to see this start so strongly! Will be adding my pledge before the weekend.

overtyrant wrote:
Righto, I've backed this, though I'm a bit worried when they say the book might not be available after the KS. I plan to demo this at a club to get people interested and if they ask where they can get that lovely book I'm supposed to tell them you can't get the physical book anymore? Can't the company speak to someone like Osprey, or along those lines?


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Also seems like an unnecessarily long campaign as well!

From my experience of this sort of thing would be very surprised if it's not generally available after the KS ends. The funds from this will probably go to get X amount printed, some of which will eventually find their way to distributors. In the meantime there is the PDF!

Backed! You've done a nice job with this. We are looking forward to your continued success!

I love how by the time new stretch-goals go up, we've blown through three more of them. ;-)

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I love how by the time new stretch-goals go up, we've blown through three more of them. ;-)

I know!

I predict many free rats in our future... and maybe a Radroach?

I wouldn't. More bits will increase shipping and the creator is a one man show. Shipping costs look to be something he's quite cautious of and forcgood reason, I find it more likely that we'll see bonus digital content than many figures. Maybe some figures, but this isn't going to be s freebie bonanza like some mantic/cmon deals.

 GrimDork wrote:
this isn't going to be s freebie bonanza like some mantic/cmon deals.

No gak sherlock. I never claimed this would be the case.

But seeing as he's given out 2 free rats so far, and they are a small item, it can't hurt to theorise that perhaps we may get some more, surely?

Sorry if I pissed in your wheaties or something.

Woah now I think your post comes off a bit more pissy Wheaties than mine. Apologies, he updated stretchgoal without a formal update and I didn't see that additional figures were already included which would have established precident and colored my response, most/all other projects I've followed had updates to brag about stretches rather than sneaking them in line that

Sorry if the post came off as offensive but operating with my, admittedly incorrect, knowledge I didn't want anyone getting their hopes too high. Really wasn't trying to inject snark or assishness just caution, though somewhat mislead caution.

Yay free rats.

 GrimDork wrote:
Woah now I think your post comes off a bit more pissy Wheaties than mine. Apologies, he updated stretchgoal without a formal update and I didn't see that additional figures were already included which would have established precident and colored my response, most/all other projects I've followed had updates to brag about stretches rather than sneaking them in line that

Sorry if the post came off as offensive but operating with my, admittedly incorrect, knowledge I didn't want anyone getting their hopes too high. Really wasn't trying to inject snark or assishness just caution, though somewhat mislead caution.

Yay free rats.

I think most people here are just excited and who knows where the funding and stretch goals will go? I do know that others talking us out of free stuff won't make many people happy

So noted. I probably wouldn't have even said anything if I had already known there were a couple of Giant Rats included anyway

I wish he would use some of the funding to put the existing supplements, or the new scenarios, into the rulebook.

Well, that's all stretch goals listed passed.

How hard would this game be to pick up? Most of the people I game with are family and a number of them are kids.

@Barzam

check page 6 for a video link I posted. GMG do a series of battle reports and the first one goes over the rules I think.

The rules aren't terribly complicated as long as one if you knows what you're doing. As long as one player can keep track of people activating right and how to handle shooting damage etc, it isn't terribly complicated. It *is* a skirmish game so there will be extra bits and rolls and tests in places that board and hybrid games would be simpler, bug its not crazy.

So less complicated than infinity but moreso than really simple rule sets.

Albino Squirrel wrote:
I wish he would use some of the funding to put the existing supplements, or the new scenarios, into the rulebook.

Agreed, I think that would definitely be a good use of funds, though if the book has already been sent to the printers for estimates and the like it would certainly cause delays and added costs.

Perhaps a stretch goal where the for-purchase PDFs are included free? That would mess with the funding people have already put in though, so I doubt it will happen. Still, I am excited to see what the upcoming stretch goals are, especially the five we've already passed since the last update.

I also feel like I should mention that it is awesome to see this Kickstarter campaign really taking off like this. I did some editing work on the book, and I really hope TNT, and World's Edge Publishing with it, really grow from this.

I disagree with expanding the core book, it's perfect as is and any additions or changes to it would make for an even later shipping date. Giving us expansion pdf's at a later date is an excellent solution and can always, later down the road, be compiled into another book of sorts, for another KS?

Offering for-sale pdf's for free is, while nice, not very profitable for the chap who runs the company by himself.

All in all, I would personally very much like to see this campaign kept simple and to the point, I'd rather not see a fine starting company like World End Publishing go under because "there must be more free stuff" in this campaign to make it more attractive.

Albino Squirrel wrote:
I wish he would use some of the funding to put the existing supplements, or the new scenarios, into the rulebook.

Agreed. I'd love a big milestone stretch-goal to upgrade the rules to include all the, now somewhat scattered, bits.

 BrookM wrote:
I disagree with expanding the core book, it's perfect as is and any additions or changes to it would make for an even later shipping date. Giving us expansion pdf's at a later date is an excellent solution and can always, later down the road, be compiled into another book of sorts, for another KS?

Offering for-sale pdf's for free is, while nice, not very profitable for the chap who runs the company by himself.

All in all, I would personally very much like to see this campaign kept simple and to the point, I'd rather not see a fine starting company like World End Publishing go under because "there must be more free stuff" in this campaign to make it more attractive.

I modified my previous post as you were posting, just FYI. I agree with the points you are making, and think that (although it is attractive) making the PDFs free would make a lot of people modify their pledge amounts, which could cause havoc for the Kickstarter total.

Expanding the content of the printed book would likely be problematic. I wouldn't be surprised if the layout of the book was finalized a good while ago. Flexibility like that can be expensive, especially for a small operation.

In my experience, hard copy books are basically loss leaders. They are expensive to produce, especially in small volumes, and I know many companies that sell their hard copy rulebooks basically at cost.

Personally, I love the heck out of a good hard copy rulebook. A printed rulebook provides a very visceral, tangible connection to a game that is important to me.

Plenty of folks feel the same way, and so printed rulebooks can be a very important sales driver. But rules, in and of themselves (even in a spendy high quality print run with a $50-$60 retail price tag) aren't money makers.

This is the sort of campaign that is true to the ostensible purpose of crowdfunding. It isn't about making money; it is about players helping a small company create a niche product that otherwise wouldn't exist.