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 MarsNZ wrote:

 DOGGED wrote:
The Necron retcon, I have never liked it. They were the big bad boys in the 40K universe, the ultimate menace, and their awakening was the ominous advance of an incoming doomsday, an impending war for survival for everybody else.
They are now just undead in space.

They were just metal Tyranids.

Personally I'm glad that the atrocious oldcron fluff has been purged.

So now we have unbeatables instead. So much better.

 KingmanHighborn wrote:
It's meh, overpriced meh at that. As far as Horus himself goes I mean. There's a certain rabid animal look he had in the old artwork, the dual talons with built in prototype stormbolters was cool. He also kinda reminds me of Kane from the WWE.

This: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Horus-the-Warmaster-Primarch-of-the-Sons-of-Horus

It's generic bad guy in black armor. He doesn't even really evoke a sense of fear in me.

Plus I could just imagine those claws breaking Sanguinius's neck and body more.

So TLDR, no hate, just Horus is bland....and Forge World is even crazier overpriced then the normal GW shtick.

This model is Face Horus.

I'm sure we'll get Heel Horus soon enough.

pm713 wrote:

 MarsNZ wrote:

 DOGGED wrote:
The Necron retcon, I have never liked it. They were the big bad boys in the 40K universe, the ultimate menace, and their awakening was the ominous advance of an incoming doomsday, an impending war for survival for everybody else.
They are now just undead in space.

They were just metal Tyranids.

Personally I'm glad that the atrocious oldcron fluff has been purged.

So now we have unbeatables instead. So much better.

Did the oldcron fluff need to be redone? Yes. But the current lore which was dumped upon us from the cancerous sphincter of GW's posterior (good on them for seeing the doctor and getting that malignant tumor removed) is no better. Different? Yes. Better? Oh god no. In my opinion, it manages to be worse. And anyone who claims that some personality is better than no personality either only bothers with fluff directly from the codices or is ignorant (deliberately or otherwise) or some pieces of personality expanding fluff outside of said codices (I.e. Xenology - a great read, Hellforged - a not so great read but at least made flayed ones seem like something you would tell a child about if you wanted them to never sleep for the next month or so, etc.)

 King Pariah wrote:
anyone who claims that some personality is better than no personality either only bothers with fluff directly from the codices.)

Nope, in more than one argument that some personality is better than no personality the codexes are rejected as a basis for the argument. Like in my case. I don't refer to the codexes at all , I could care less about the codexes. The codexes aren't novels, therefore the codexes are no part of the argument.

 King Pariah wrote:
or is ignorant (deliberately or otherwise) or some pieces of PERSONALITY EXPANDING fluff outside of said codices (I.e. Xenology - a great read, Hellforged - a not so great read but at least made flayed ones seem like something you would tell a child about if you wanted them to never sleep for the next month or so, etc.)

The writer attempts to discount the, " Some personality is better than no personality " - argument by proceeding to emphasize..........personality , and its elaboration.

Maybe not a retcon, but the way auto-senses are described have really gone downhill. The whole idea behind auto-senses was that, once a Space Marine put his helmet on, he didn't use his eyes and ears as we would - his suit did it for him. The suit's cogitator unit processed all incoming visual and audio data and then fed it directly to the marines brain, enabling the marine to see in different modes, 'see' information and control/interface with it, etc, etc. This was described in one of the early HH novels - I can't remember which one - where one of the marines removes his helmet and uses his own eyes for the first time in several days.

Now there's talk of head-up displays, retinal feeds and all sorts of nonsense. How can you even fit a HUD inside a helmet? Come on guys, stop all this lazy writing, these guys have got amazing suits of advanced life-sustaining-and-enhancing armour, you don't think they actually look out of those tiny little lenses do you?

 King Pariah wrote:
And anyone who claims that some personality is better than no personality either only bothers with fluff directly from the codices or is ignorant (deliberately or otherwise) or some pieces of personality expanding fluff outside of said codices (I.e. Xenology - a great read, Hellforged - a not so great read but at least made flayed ones seem like something you would tell a child about if you wanted them to never sleep for the next month or so, etc.)

Nice generalised sweeping statement. Allow me to retort with my own.

Anyone arguing against personality obviously has none of his own.

I miss the retconned Gods-
Malice, Neecho, Bork etc...

I loved the old necron fluff, people obsessed with longer lives willing to give it all up to their gods in exchange for service. Little did the know each death would cost them more of what they where and they would become more and more slaves to the gods.

Before they where completely lost they maganged to cast their false gods down into shards never truely being able to be destroyed. But the curse did not lift or end they simply became more and more lost in the nothingness that replaced their souls.

Now after countless years someone has awoken them. With all memory of what they where gone from time they seek now only to do their gods work. To end all life feed their gods, for once all life has ended and the gods have been fed they shall become whole again. Then and only then will all life truely end when god and servant are united yet again. The galaxy shall burn the galaxy shall feed them for they consume all life and essence, when they pass not even the stars shall remain. For they are the endless devourer.