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Also, they only said that Tooth and Claw was getting it's pre-order this weekend. Nothing about the Codex as far as I have seen.

Codex: Space Wolves
Next week also sees the highly anticipated Space Wolves codex land – and we think it’s safe to say the wait has been well worth it. This new codex brings the sons of Russ up-to-date with the new edition, offering them powerful faction-wide rules, Stratagems and all the great stuff you’ve come to expect from this generation of codexes.

 Carnikang wrote:

ArmchairArbiter wrote:
What does this mean for the Genestealer Cult Codex? Is it coming out before the Ork Codex now? Or will GSC have to wait until after Orktober to have an updated codex for these fancy new models?

Either way I am really hoping for some news about rules for Space Wolves tomorrow. Especially if I am meant to pre-order a Codex this coming Saturday.

We've known that the Ork and SW codexes were coming out close together, and that the GSC Codex was coming after. We've also known that we were getting some GSC kits BEFORE the codex comes out. It was all in that article on WarCom a few.. months (?) ago.

Also, they only said that Tooth and Claw was getting it's pre-order this weekend. Nothing about the Codex as far as I have seen.

Ah. I had not seen that information/news. Kind of sucks for the GSC players but at least they get something I suppose.

I believe the release of the Codex is mentioned in one of the initial articles for Tooth and Claw. Yep. Here it is. https://bit.ly/2MCT2y5

"Codex: Space Wolves
Next week also sees the highly anticipated Space Wolves codex land – and we think it’s safe to say the wait has been well worth it. "

At the beginning of the article it says "Next week a new box set will be released". So according to the article this weekend will see Tooth and Claw, Codex: Space Wolves, SW Dice and SW Datacards all go up for preorder.

Justyn wrote:

Also, they only said that Tooth and Claw was getting it's pre-order this weekend. Nothing about the Codex as far as I have seen.

Codex: Space Wolves
Next week also sees the highly anticipated Space Wolves codex land – and we think it’s safe to say the wait has been well worth it. This new codex brings the sons of Russ up-to-date with the new edition, offering them powerful faction-wide rules, Stratagems and all the great stuff you’ve come to expect from this generation of codexes.

Thanks for the correction. Missed it in all that.

bananathug wrote:
I like the extreme sculpts. Space marine characters (grimaldus and his retinue, the sanguinor with his golden abs, celestine and her wings...) just evoke the over-the-top feeling that I get from the 40k-verse. If "normal" marines are what you're after ultra-marines are mary suing all over the galaxy. I want big hair, beard braids and wolves. Some kick-butt biker dudes on choppers would be awesome (it's what I see in my head)!!

I hate to break it to you, dude, but Celestine ain't a Space Marine...

 Carnikang wrote:
We've known that the Ork and SW codexes were coming out close together, and that the GSC Codex was coming after. We've also known that we were getting some GSC kits BEFORE the codex comes out. It was all in that article on WarCom a few.. months (?) ago.

It was one of the things they were very clear about at the seminar at UK Games Expo (which the Warhammer Community article then followed) that there would be GSC figures - but that they were definitely not announcing their Codex yet.

While it is possible the schedule has shifted slightly - and the Ork boxed game might imply it has - Orks should still be the next book after Space Wolves.

 Dysartes wrote:

bananathug wrote:
I like the extreme sculpts. Space marine characters (grimaldus and his retinue, the sanguinor with his golden abs, celestine and her wings...) just evoke the over-the-top feeling that I get from the 40k-verse. If "normal" marines are what you're after ultra-marines are mary suing all over the galaxy. I want big hair, beard braids and wolves. Some kick-butt biker dudes on choppers would be awesome (it's what I see in my head)!!

I hate to break it to you, dude, but Celestine ain't a Space Marine...

He never said she was, he was using her as an example of some of the more extreme elements, and he's not wrong that Space Wolves in particular work best when they've got their rediculas "space viking wolf bling"

BrianDavion wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

bananathug wrote:
I like the extreme sculpts. Space marine characters (grimaldus and his retinue, the sanguinor with his golden abs, celestine and her wings...) just evoke the over-the-top feeling that I get from the 40k-verse. If "normal" marines are what you're after ultra-marines are mary suing all over the galaxy. I want big hair, beard braids and wolves. Some kick-butt biker dudes on choppers would be awesome (it's what I see in my head)!!

I hate to break it to you, dude, but Celestine ain't a Space Marine...

He never said she was, he was using her as an example of some of the more extreme elements, and he's not wrong that Space Wolves in particular work best when they've got their rediculas "space viking wolf bling"

Sometimes that gives you cool stuff and sometimes that gets you new Wulfen.

pm713 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

bananathug wrote:
I like the extreme sculpts. Space marine characters (grimaldus and his retinue, the sanguinor with his golden abs, celestine and her wings...) just evoke the over-the-top feeling that I get from the 40k-verse. If "normal" marines are what you're after ultra-marines are mary suing all over the galaxy. I want big hair, beard braids and wolves. Some kick-butt biker dudes on choppers would be awesome (it's what I see in my head)!!

I hate to break it to you, dude, but Celestine ain't a Space Marine...

He never said she was, he was using her as an example of some of the more extreme elements, and he's not wrong that Space Wolves in particular work best when they've got their rediculas "space viking wolf bling"

Sometimes that gives you cool stuff and sometimes that gets you new Wulfen.

it's funny you say that, I literally just Primed a squad of Wulfen in the time between when I posted and when you replied

BrianDavion wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

bananathug wrote:
I like the extreme sculpts. Space marine characters (grimaldus and his retinue, the sanguinor with his golden abs, celestine and her wings...) just evoke the over-the-top feeling that I get from the 40k-verse. If "normal" marines are what you're after ultra-marines are mary suing all over the galaxy. I want big hair, beard braids and wolves. Some kick-butt biker dudes on choppers would be awesome (it's what I see in my head)!!

I hate to break it to you, dude, but Celestine ain't a Space Marine...

He never said she was, he was using her as an example of some of the more extreme elements, and he's not wrong that Space Wolves in particular work best when they've got their rediculas "space viking wolf bling"

Given that the clause before the bracketed list is "Space marine characters" - not Imperial characters, or 40k characters, but specifically Space Marine characters - yes, his text did state that Celestine is a Space Marine character.

Which, given she is a Living Saint, she most certainly is not.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

bananathug wrote:
I like the extreme sculpts. Space marine characters (grimaldus and his retinue, the sanguinor with his golden abs, celestine and her wings...) just evoke the over-the-top feeling that I get from the 40k-verse. If "normal" marines are what you're after ultra-marines are mary suing all over the galaxy. I want big hair, beard braids and wolves. Some kick-butt biker dudes on choppers would be awesome (it's what I see in my head)!!

I hate to break it to you, dude, but Celestine ain't a Space Marine...

He never said she was, he was using her as an example of some of the more extreme elements, and he's not wrong that Space Wolves in particular work best when they've got their rediculas "space viking wolf bling"

...very much a matter of opinion, that.

ArmchairArbiter wrote:
What does this mean for the Genestealer Cult Codex? Is it coming out before the Ork Codex now? Or will GSC have to wait until after Orktober to have an updated codex for these fancy new models?

Here's my theory. White Dwarf takes at least 3-4 months between writing an issue and it hitting shelves. Unreleased GSC models were put out on display at WHW ~6 weeks ago then quickly removed again. That makes me think they were using various studio GSC models to take White Dwarf article photos for later this year, and put a few of the wrong ones back on display.

We now know when Orks are coming, so GSC codex in November anyone?

 xttz wrote:

ArmchairArbiter wrote:
What does this mean for the Genestealer Cult Codex? Is it coming out before the Ork Codex now? Or will GSC have to wait until after Orktober to have an updated codex for these fancy new models?

Here's my theory. White Dwarf takes at least 3-4 months between writing an issue and it hitting shelves. Unreleased GSC models were put out on display at WHW ~6 weeks ago then quickly removed again. That makes me think they were using various studio GSC models to take White Dwarf article photos for later this year, and put a few of the wrong ones back on display.

We now know when Orks are coming, so GSC codex in November anyone?

Or they could just be taking gsc pics for a battle spread about vigilus.

GSC could be inbetween Space Wolves and Orks.

Heafstaag wrote:
GSC could be inbetween Space Wolves and Orks.

could but GSCs are supposed to be after Orks, so baring GW changing the release schedule that seems unlikely. which raises the question Orks will likely be late sept/Early Oct at the soonst (it would seem odd to release a codex and then release a ton of Ork models so unless the Ork range is getting a dark elf level release consisting of basicly 2 months worth of releases this points to Oct) which raises the question... what are we getting in septmeber? might be some new AOS stuff, kits of the new things introduced in Soul Wars, but I can't belive it would be barren of 40k

BrianDavion wrote:

Heafstaag wrote:
GSC could be inbetween Space Wolves and Orks.

could but GSCs are supposed to be after Orks, so baring GW changing the release schedule that seems unlikely. which raises the question Orks will likely be late sept/Early Oct at the soonst (it would seem odd to release a codex and then release a ton of Ork models so unless the Ork range is getting a dark elf level release consisting of basicly 2 months worth of releases this points to Oct) which raises the question... what are we getting in septmeber? might be some new AOS stuff, kits of the new things introduced in Soul Wars, but I can't belive it would be barren of 40k

September will be Moonclan for AoS, more Killteam stuff, the Reaver Titan and maybe some bloodbowl stuff. We also have the middle earth box coming late August/early September.

Chikout wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Heafstaag wrote:
GSC could be inbetween Space Wolves and Orks.

could but GSCs are supposed to be after Orks, so baring GW changing the release schedule that seems unlikely. which raises the question Orks will likely be late sept/Early Oct at the soonst (it would seem odd to release a codex and then release a ton of Ork models so unless the Ork range is getting a dark elf level release consisting of basicly 2 months worth of releases this points to Oct) which raises the question... what are we getting in septmeber? might be some new AOS stuff, kits of the new things introduced in Soul Wars, but I can't belive it would be barren of 40k

September will be Moonclan for AoS, more Killteam stuff, the Reaver Titan and maybe some bloodbowl stuff. We also have the middle earth box coming late August/early September.

yeah the reaver'll be a big thing, I need 2!

 Dysartes wrote:

While it is possible the schedule has shifted slightly - and the Ork boxed game might imply it has - Orks should still be the next book after Space Wolves.

Not really. Ork boxed game that uses different rules to 40k(and ergo isn't dependant on codex) doesn't mean codex would be on same time. Actually IMO it puts it MORE likely codex does not come on october as not to compete with ork players purchaces with codex(plus possible models) and box set. Have them separate months and they don't fight each other for sales.


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Heafstaag wrote:
GSC could be inbetween Space Wolves and Orks.

No. GSC codex isn't even revealed to be on next batch. Next 2 codexes are wolves and orks. What are next we don't know more than GSC is likely but even that's not confirmed.

I suspect GSC will be the last codex of the year. 2019'll be an intreasting year, aside from sisters, we're pretty much in terra incognito.

tneva82 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

While it is possible the schedule has shifted slightly - and the Ork boxed game might imply it has - Orks should still be the next book after Space Wolves.

Not really. Ork boxed game that uses different rules to 40k(and ergo isn't dependant on codex) doesn't mean codex would be on same time. Actually IMO it puts it MORE likely codex does not come on october as not to compete with ork players purchaces with codex(plus possible models) and box set. Have them separate months and they don't fight each other for sales.

Yeah, I'm only at a might on the slip - the 3 Month Rule still covers 01/09, so I wouldn't be shocked if Codex: Orks went up for either release or pre-order on that date.

Well we have warhammerFest Europe this weekend which may reveal some more information.

I was also speaking to the rules writers at Warhammerfest UK and they suggested Genestealer Cult might be sooner than we think.

I'm cautiously optimistic it might sneak between space wolves next week and Orktober. Realistically what will they be releasing? All the new models are in tooth and claw so just a reboxing of those, book, codex, cards isn't too tricky to fit into the schedule.

Sneggy wrote:
Well we have warhammerFest Europe this weekend which may reveal some more information.

I was also speaking to the rules writers at Warhammerfest UK and they suggested Genestealer Cult might be sooner than we think.

I'm cautiously optimistic it might sneak between space wolves next week and Orktober. Realistically what will they be releasing? All the new models are in tooth and claw so just a reboxing of those, book, codex, cards isn't too tricky to fit into the schedule.

I could see the relese schedule having been changed, perhaps due to an issue with speek freaks where the original plan was Orks + Speed Freaks, Space Wolves+ Tooth and Claw, then GSCs. but no I suspect whatever happens the plan hasn't changed

Sneggy wrote:
Well we have warhammerFest Europe this weekend which may reveal some more information.

I was also speaking to the rules writers at Warhammerfest UK and they suggested Genestealer Cult might be sooner than we think.

I'm cautiously optimistic it might sneak between space wolves next week and Orktober. Realistically what will they be releasing? All the new models are in tooth and claw so just a reboxing of those, book, codex, cards isn't too tricky to fit into the schedule.

Sigh. GW flat out tells people what next two codexes are. People keep inventing new codex instead in there because that faction gets models when GW bloody hell tells that faction gets models before codex.

Lol.

 Togusa wrote:

What about those of us who don't care about competitive play and only want to build cool thematic armies, using the miniatures that we personally like?
Saying " I hope the box flops" is a lot like saying "I hope the safety on my shotgun malfunctions when I'm cleaning it later."

Dude! Didn't you get the memo? Self-entitled bitterness is all the rage these days. It's ok, though. I'll buy three or four boxes to make up for a couple of them.

BrianDavion wrote:
I suspect GSC will be the last codex of the year. 2019'll be an intreasting year, aside from sisters, we're pretty much in terra incognito.

I've heard a few whispers about a Inquisition / Imperial Agent codex that ties in with the new Kill Team focused content - especially Rogue Trader that comes with death cult assassins. That codex may well land this year too.

First Space Wolves preview: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/08/15/15th-aug-codex-space-wolves-preview-hunters-unleashed-and-datasheets-galoregw-homepage-post-3/

Glad they added some units (though still no Centurions ... :( )


chapter tactics ... hmm. Characters Heroically intervening 6" can be cool. Rest might be a weaker version of Red Thirst? Would've been great in the 6 months pre-Knight Codex though.

Wulfen Dreads with Blizzard Shields. Much as I hate the idea of Wulfen Dreads, they should be bad ass on the field.


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And the changes to the Great Axe, Two attacks that do 1damage for each A, or -1 to hit and d6 damage.... nice.


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If they actually gave Murderfang a few extra attacks that should put him at 7 or 8. Enough to be worth considering taking him.

Justyn wrote:
Wulfen Dreads with Blizzard Shields. Much as I hate the idea of Wulfen Dreads, they should be bad ass on the field.


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And the changes to the Great Axe, Two attacks that do 1damage for each A, or -1 to hit and d6 damage.... nice.


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If they actually gave Murderfang a few extra attacks that should put him at 7 or 8. Enough to be worth considering taking him.

I'm going to buy one and slip a dogmeat 28mm into the slot the marine's head normally goes. It's going to be my puppy murder-bot!

Biggest thing that i missed and was pointed out in the Tactics thread -

The Chapter Tactic affects Cavalry in addition to Infantry, Bikers and Dreads.

I wonder if Chaos will have theirs changed now as well.

Kdash wrote:
Biggest thing that i missed and was pointed out in the Tactics thread -

The Chapter Tactic affects Cavalry in addition to Infantry, Bikers and Dreads.

I wonder if Chaos will have theirs changed now as well.

It's unlikely - fingers crossed though. Renegade Chapter / WE Juggerlords please.

Kdash wrote:
Biggest thing that i missed and was pointed out in the Tactics thread -

The Chapter Tactic affects Cavalry in addition to Infantry, Bikers and Dreads.

I wonder if Chaos will have theirs changed now as well.

I don't see any units in Codex Chaos Space Marines with the CAVALRY keyword.