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 Lance845 wrote:
So exciting! What could have been condensed into a single book is now being spread out into a single core and a whole series of supplements. Now BA, DA, and SW are going to have to buy 2 books to get their most current rules. And so will ultramarines and everyone else.

I would bet money that the combined cost is going to be 80.00-100 minimum.

Again, comparison.

Pathfinder 2nd Ed. Just released. 59.99 600+ page hardcover with a great binding that allows the book to sit flat when open and jam packed with rules art and fluff with logical good formatting and indexes and such for quick reference. 15.99 for the pdf version.

GW. 2 hardcovers with a gak binding required for you to play a single army. No prices yet, but if previous codexes are any indicator then 50.00 each for maybe 250ish pages a piece. PDFs will cost 34.99 each. Thats right. It will cost more money for less pages in PDF form then it does for Pathfinders book in hardcover.

But hey! This is basically what you wanted! More books!

They haven't said that at all for SW, BA, and DA. Only for the six supplementals.

Pathfinder 2nd ed is also going to try and print and sell 1-2 books a month (they did for their first edition), at 30-50 dollars each. We've been over a lost leader item before, and this core book is one of them.
Not sure why you keep harping on the 'sit flat' issue. All of my hard covers sat flat for GW.

GW requires two books to play a specialty of a generic army. This isn't anything new for them, and has nothing to do with our previous topic.

I can see this being the future for all codex should they sell as well as GW hope.

Main book with 90% of the rules for £30 then faction specific book with last 10% for another £20. Bargintastic as both those prices are less than the current codex go new GW

 Mmmpi wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
So exciting! What could have been condensed into a single book is now being spread out into a single core and a whole series of supplements. Now BA, DA, and SW are going to have to buy 2 books to get their most current rules. And so will ultramarines and everyone else.

I would bet money that the combined cost is going to be 80.00-100 minimum.

Again, comparison.

Pathfinder 2nd Ed. Just released. 59.99 600+ page hardcover with a great binding that allows the book to sit flat when open and jam packed with rules art and fluff with logical good formatting and indexes and such for quick reference. 15.99 for the pdf version.

GW. 2 hardcovers with a gak binding required for you to play a single army. No prices yet, but if previous codexes are any indicator then 50.00 each for maybe 250ish pages a piece. PDFs will cost 34.99 each. Thats right. It will cost more money for less pages in PDF form then it does for Pathfinders book in hardcover.

But hey! This is basically what you wanted! More books!

They haven't said that at all for SW, BA, and DA. Only for the six supplementals.

Pathfinder 2nd ed is also going to try and print and sell 1-2 books a month (they did for their first edition), at 30-50 dollars each. We've been over a lost leader item before, and this core book is one of them.
Not sure why you keep harping on the 'sit flat' issue. All of my hard covers sat flat for GW.

GW requires two books to play a specialty of a generic army. This isn't anything new for them, and has nothing to do with our previous topic.

Codexes are loss leader items. GW is not making the vast majority of it's profits on a codex. They sell you a codex for the rules and then make their money on the models. It's why a single model can cost you 20-150 dollars. Except then GW charges you dumb ass price they do so it doesn't have to be a loss leader item. But hey, you want other examples with lower productions.

https://frialigan.se/en/games/forbidden-lands/



This is the forbidden lands start box. It's 50.00. It includes 2 faux leather hardcovers a map and other materials for 50.00. A total of 454 pages packed with lore rules and art. Both books have a binding that allows them to sit flat when open. Forbidden lands is not releasing 1 book every month. It's not releasing 1 book every 2 months.


This is coriolis.

https://frialigan.se/en/store/?product_id=8829644677

It has a 50.00 hardcover packed with art lore and rules for 50.00 with a binding that allows the book to sit flat when open at 384 pages of content.

There are currently 6 books released for coriolis. most of those book are softcovers at less than 20.00. It came out in 2017.


NONE of your GW hardcovers are bound to actually sit flat. None of them have a binding really designed for it except the core book. If you look at the pages from the side you will see that they are all glued to the spine as a single chunk. A book actually design to fit flat is bound to the spine in many smaller chunks with that fabric bit a little looser so that the individual chunks can move to one side or the other without pulling the chunk you are currently in and having the weight drag to different sides.



You see how it bends in the middle to allow the pages to actually move to one side or the other? Now bust out your codex and try to get it to do that. Don't try too hard. You will break it.



Are you seriously so oblivious to the writing on the wall? Every character they are keeping in the long run is going to get a primaris version. And those Primaris versions are going to get released around the supplement. Including BA DA and SW. GW can over charge you for buying 2 when they could all be in 1 and you are happy for it. You will ALL get a new second book. It's not a question of if. It's a question of when.

@Lance

"Codexes are loss leader items. GW is not making the vast majority of it's profits on a codex. They sell you a codex for the rules and then make their money on the models. It's why a single model can cost you 20-150 dollars. Except then GW charges you dumb ass price they do so it doesn't have to be a loss leader item."

So what you're saying is that the Codexes aren't loss leaders at all then.

"This is the forbidden lands start box. It's 50.00. It includes 2 faux leather hardcovers a map and other materials for 50.00. A total of 454 pages packed with lore rules and art. Both books have a binding that allows them to sit flat when open. Forbidden lands is not releasing 1 book every month. It's not releasing 1 book every 2 months."

I don't know enough about the game to know if that's true. Having said that, I also don't know their print quality either.

"NONE of your GW hardcovers are bound to actually sit flat. None of them have a binding really designed for it except the core book. If you look at the pages from the side you will see that they are all glued to the spine as a single chunk. A book actually design to fit flat is bound to the spine in many smaller chunks with that fabric bit a little looser so that the individual chunks can move to one side or the other without pulling the chunk you are currently in and having the weight drag to different sides. "

Mine do after the first two or three uses. The front and back covers lying mostly flush with the spines. Not sure why yours don't.

"Are you seriously so oblivious to the writing on the wall? Every character they are keeping in the long run is going to get a primaris version. And those Primaris versions are going to get released around the supplement. Including BA DA and SW. GW can over charge you for buying 2 when they could all be in 1 and you are happy for it. You will ALL get a new second book. It's not a question of if. It's a question of when."

What does primaris characters have to do with any part of this discussion? GW said that the new generic units will be fully compatible with DA/BA/SW, not that it would be the only place for the rules. So no, while many people will buy it to get a half update to their codex early, they don't have to, at least with the info GW's currently released.

Furthermore, this has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion that's dominated this thread.

Finally, YOU were one of the people advocating more books, with a rules and a fluff book, to get the same content one codex gives now. So far the non-codex marines are still getting their own books.

 Mmmpi wrote:
@Lance

So what you're saying is that the Codexes aren't loss leaders at all then.

The purpose of a loss leader item is a upfront purchase that leads to more profitable secondary purchases. The codexes are that. GW just knows they can charge you more for less content and you will eat it up. It's why their pdfs cost 35 dollars when everyone else releasing pdfs for 50.00+ books sell them for 15. You just get overcharged for their loss leader items.

"This is the forbidden lands start box. It's 50.00. It includes 2 faux leather hardcovers a map and other materials for 50.00. A total of 454 pages packed with lore rules and art. Both books have a binding that allows them to sit flat when open. Forbidden lands is not releasing 1 book every month. It's not releasing 1 book every 2 months."

I don't know enough about the game to know if that's true. Having said that, I also don't know their print quality either.

Coriolis - The Third Horizon was awarded the ENnies Judges' Spotlight 2017 and is produced by the makers of critically acclaimed Mutant: Year Zero (six-time nominee and winner of a Silver ENnie for Best Rules 2015).'

When Coriolis: The Third Horizon landed on my doormat I was already intrigued about the game. I'd read about it and enjoyed the excellent artwork, and the game felt like something I'd love to play. Mysterious, dark science fiction with mystical powers and supernatural, sometimes horrific occurences. That sounded like my kind of game.

I had no experience with Free League's other games such as 'Mutant: Year Zero' or 'Tales From the Loop' and I knew little about the game's system, so when I cracked open the 388-page book and started reading it I was expecting a comprehensive, detailed system so I was quite surprised by the light rules and the expansive setting.

The hardback tome is of excellent quality and the cover illustration by Martin Bergström, showing three about-to-get-into-trouble characters on a dark, forbidding world really starts the mood. In fact, the artwork throughout the book is of high quality with some shadowy, inspirational images and it's supplied by Christian Granath, Martin Bergström, Gustaf Ekelund, Christian Granath, Magnus Fallgren, Tobias Tranell and Joakim Ericsson.

The thing with these RPG books is if you go to your local RPG store you can just open the book and read it. They don't often come in shrink wrap. You can look at their quality, layout, art, and content for free. Forbidden Lands comes in a box set, so that would be the exception.

Mine do after the first two or three uses. The front and back covers lying mostly flush with the spines. Not sure why yours don't.

Mind sharing a picture? Because the issue isn't that it doesn't have the cloth binding separated from the spine. It does. The issue is that it's bound so tightly that it can't itself bend. It's pulled taught between the 2 covers. The whole spine can be horizontal or vertical in it's alignment but it can't sit with the spine down and the fabric bent.

What does primaris characters have to do with any part of this discussion? GW said that the new generic units will be fully compatible with DA/BA/SW, not that it would be the only place for the rules. So no, while many people will buy it to get a half update to their codex early, they don't have to, at least with the info GW's currently released.

Furthermore, this has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion that's dominated this thread.

Finally, YOU were one of the people advocating more books, with a rules and a fluff book, to get the same content one codex gives now. So far the non-codex marines are still getting their own books.

Primaris characters is why this is happening. Do you really think BA DA and SW are going to get a FULL new codex lol? Thats amazing.

SeanDrake wrote:
I can see this being the future for all codex should they sell as well as GW hope.

Main book with 90% of the rules for £30 then faction specific book with last 10% for another £20. Bargintastic as both those prices are less than the current codex go new GW

Going by what they say, if you don’t make a specific successor that would use a specific chapter’s rules, you don’t need anything more than the base codex.

SeanDrake wrote:
I can see this being the future for all codex should they sell as well as GW hope.

Main book with 90% of the rules for £30 then faction specific book with last 10% for another £20. Bargintastic as both those prices are less than the current codex go new GW

You are dreaming for those price points.

Codex Chaos knights is only 72 pages and costs 40.00 for 5 datasheets.

SM Core will be the full 50.

SM Supplements will be somewhere between 35-50.

 Lance845 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:
@Lance

So what you're saying is that the Codexes aren't loss leaders at all then.

The purpose of a loss leader item is a upfront purchase that leads to more profitable secondary purchases. The codexes are that. GW just knows they can charge you more for less content and you will eat it up. It's why their pdfs cost 35 dollars when everyone else releasing pdfs for 50.00+ books sell them for 15. You just get overcharged for their loss leader items.

"This is the forbidden lands start box. It's 50.00. It includes 2 faux leather hardcovers a map and other materials for 50.00. A total of 454 pages packed with lore rules and art. Both books have a binding that allows them to sit flat when open. Forbidden lands is not releasing 1 book every month. It's not releasing 1 book every 2 months."

I don't know enough about the game to know if that's true. Having said that, I also don't know their print quality either.

Coriolis - The Third Horizon was awarded the ENnies Judges' Spotlight 2017 and is produced by the makers of critically acclaimed Mutant: Year Zero (six-time nominee and winner of a Silver ENnie for Best Rules 2015).'

When Coriolis: The Third Horizon landed on my doormat I was already intrigued about the game. I'd read about it and enjoyed the excellent artwork, and the game felt like something I'd love to play. Mysterious, dark science fiction with mystical powers and supernatural, sometimes horrific occurences. That sounded like my kind of game.

I had no experience with Free League's other games such as 'Mutant: Year Zero' or 'Tales From the Loop' and I knew little about the game's system, so when I cracked open the 388-page book and started reading it I was expecting a comprehensive, detailed system so I was quite surprised by the light rules and the expansive setting.

The hardback tome is of excellent quality and the cover illustration by Martin Bergström, showing three about-to-get-into-trouble characters on a dark, forbidding world really starts the mood. In fact, the artwork throughout the book is of high quality with some shadowy, inspirational images and it's supplied by Christian Granath, Martin Bergström, Gustaf Ekelund, Christian Granath, Magnus Fallgren, Tobias Tranell and Joakim Ericsson.

The thing with these RPG books is if you go to your local RPG store you can just open the book and read it. They don't often come in shrink wrap. You can look at their quality, layout, art, and content for free. Forbidden Lands comes in a box set, so that would be the exception.

Mine do after the first two or three uses. The front and back covers lying mostly flush with the spines. Not sure why yours don't.

Mind sharing a picture? Because the issue isn't that it doesn't have the cloth binding separated from the spine. It does. The issue is that it's bound so tightly that it can't itself bend. It's pulled taught between the 2 covers. The whole spine can be horizontal or vertical in it's alignment but it can't sit with the spine down and the fabric bent.

What does primaris characters have to do with any part of this discussion? GW said that the new generic units will be fully compatible with DA/BA/SW, not that it would be the only place for the rules. So no, while many people will buy it to get a half update to their codex early, they don't have to, at least with the info GW's currently released.

Furthermore, this has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion that's dominated this thread.

Finally, YOU were one of the people advocating more books, with a rules and a fluff book, to get the same content one codex gives now. So far the non-codex marines are still getting their own books.

Primaris characters is why this is happening. Do you really think BA DA and SW are going to get a FULL new codex lol? Thats amazing.

I was the one who told you what a loss leader is. The codexes aren't that.

Maybe they aren't shrink wrapped. Some companies do, some don't. But as far as pricing goes, who knows? No one didn't say GW wasn't expensive, and a 450 page book isn't that far a jump from 300 if you either have a large pool of sales, or are printing on the cheap. I do notice you've dropped the Pathfinder/D&D example though. I guess we were right about them huh?

I'd love to share a picture if I have one of my 8th ed codexes with me. While I can get you one, you'll have to wait a few days until I have access to the books again. (Mine are in a storage box, I'll be using a friends). Still waiting for you to provide your data from earlier though.

Yes, I do. Because nothing GW has said changes that. That may change, but with the information right now they are still independent books. The rest is irrelevant to any of this discussion.

The purpose of a loss leader item is a upfront purchase that leads to more profitable secondary purchases. The codexes are that. GW just knows they can charge you more for less content and you will eat it up. It's why their pdfs cost 35 dollars when everyone else releasing pdfs for 50.00+ books sell them for 15. You just get overcharged for their loss leader items.

no a loss leader is a product sold at a considerable discount, often in fact a LOSS (this is most notable with consoles which are often, especially once the price wars between compeition starts, sold at a outright loss) the codex is NOT a "loss leader" the loss leader for 40k is Dark Imperium and their other box sets. sold at a CONSIDERABLE discount for what you get in the army. ybut hey if you really don't like this, don't but it. I'm happy to see GW giving us more in depth info on the various first founding chapters.

Lol. You didnt tell me gak. I am very aware of the buisness practice of selling a upfront product at a loss to gain profit from supplements. Video game systems have been doing it since they started being sold as house hold devices.

I didnt drop pf or dnd. Again, by comparison, every other rpg out there with much slower publication schedules is selling their books for the same price point.

Whats more likely is you just dont understand publication costs and exactly how high gws mark ups are. Again, 35.00 pdfs.


You wont get more in depth information. You will get the same information thats been reprinted ad nauseam.

If the rules are good, im happy to pay. If its more xeno target practice, gw can keep them.

I don't see GW permanently changing the way they handle codexes by cutting out everything but rules. As long as that's the case then combining the four marine books into one is just no practical and not something I would support.

I only play space marines so I have no use for DA, BA, and SW fluff, pictures and model galleries. Additionally even assuming you combine things that are relatively easy to put into one data sheet, like terminators or some kind of generic honor guard bandage, you end up with a lot units that you can't do that with even if you just open the floodgates and let everyone have access to everything.

DA speeders and planes do not line up size or weapon wise with anything that's available to generic marines. BA and SW also have plenty of units that again cannot be rolled in with out additional pages.

The space marine codex is already big and annoying to carry around with out adding 50 to 100 pages.

 Lance845 wrote:
Lol. You didnt tell me gak. I am very aware of the buisness practice of selling a upfront product at a loss to gain profit from supplements. Video game systems have been doing it since they started being sold as house hold devices.

I didnt drop pf or dnd. Again, by comparison, every other rpg out there with much slower publication schedules is selling their books for the same price point.

Whats more likely is you just dont understand publication costs and exactly how high gws mark ups are. Again, 35.00 pdfs.


You wont get more in depth information. You will get the same information thats been reprinted ad nauseam.

We did, because you had no clue of the concept (based on your posts) until it was pointed out. Even then, it took several attempts to get you to clue in, and you still didn't get it right until this post.

I do understand them, and 35 for a PDF is insane. So what you're saying is that currently, if I buy the BA book, I won't have to buy the SM book to get the fluff I want to read? Because that's a good thing.

as for how much information we'll get, assuming the supplements are 100 pages? that's actually a LOT of room for information. Codex Death Guard is about 100 pages, how much new info was in that? and rememebr the death guard had pages devoted to data sheets etc that these supplements won't

 Mmmpi wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Lol. You didnt tell me gak. I am very aware of the buisness practice of selling a upfront product at a loss to gain profit from supplements. Video game systems have been doing it since they started being sold as house hold devices.

I didnt drop pf or dnd. Again, by comparison, every other rpg out there with much slower publication schedules is selling their books for the same price point.

Whats more likely is you just dont understand publication costs and exactly how high gws mark ups are. Again, 35.00 pdfs.


You wont get more in depth information. You will get the same information thats been reprinted ad nauseam.

We did, because you had no clue of the concept (based on your posts) until it was pointed out. Even then, it took several attempts to get you to clue in, and you still didn't get it right until this post.

I do understand them, and 35 for a PDF is insane. So what you're saying is that currently, if I buy the BA book, I won't have to buy the SM book to get the fluff I want to read? Because that's a good thing.

You didnt. Because the concept was besides the point. And i made OTHER examples to get you back on track with the actual point. Gws books are over priced and of lower quality with worse content. Its true of dnd and pathfinder in any edition. Its true of smaller publications with less often releases and slower production schedules. Its true of other wargames.

What i am saying is it is bad for you and everyone else to have to reference 2 books to get your rules. 3 if you want to use index options. 4 if you want ca point updates. 8 if you want the faq errata.

Why are you happy about this?

SeanDrake wrote:
I can see this being the future for all codex should they sell as well as GW hope.

Main book with 90% of the rules for £30 then faction specific book with last 10% for another £20. Bargintastic as both those prices are less than the current codex go new GW

Well that's not going to happen. They're not going to sell you what you had before for more work for them, and less money from you than it was before. I'd expect to pay a little more for the base book and the supplement, but not the double Lance was "claiming" it would be.


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 Mmmpi wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Lol. You didnt tell me gak.

We did, because you had no clue of the concept (based on your posts) until it was pointed out. Even then, it took several attempts to get you to clue in, and you still didn't get it right until this post.

I do understand them, and 35 for a PDF is insane. So what you're saying is that currently, if I buy the BA book, I won't have to buy the SM book to get the fluff I want to read? Because that's a good thing.

Remember this is the guy who didn't say the Index Imperium 1 was under 200 pages. And got VERY quiet when he was quoted on it which is why you're now talking about what he doesn't know about loss leaders.

Was it you who said the Index Imperium 1 was under 200 pages?


Incorrect. I said the datasheets for the codexes that we were suggesting get merged were under 200 pages. Remove everything GK and DW from the index. Remove the redundant pointless units.


And yet:: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/150/778495.page#10522795
Lance845 wrote:
@Mmmpi You wouldn't. The datasheets have so much in common across all the codexes that you just don't need that many pages. Evidence, Index Imperium 1. It has all the datasheets and isn't 200 pages and includes the other armies people are not suggesting get folded into the SM dex. GK and DW can get folded into a agents of the imperium dex with sisters of silence and the assassins.

No you guys just have trouble reading whole sentences or carry a thought past a period. Which is why you keep misquoting and circling back to statements without being able to follow the point of said statements. Its fine. Youll spend 80-100 on your 2 books to play a single army and il keep laughing about it.

Ah, I see. You're ignoring your own words again. And it's only besides the point because we called you on it. Got it.
No, you attempted to deflect from the original conversation with your other examples.

GW books are over priced. Pushing three to four more codexes into the SM book will only make that worse, not better.
Wait, now you're saying D&D and pathfinder are over priced? But you just admitted a few posts back that you knew what a lost leader was, and dropped the argument that they weren't LL's in favor of some small time games no one has ever heard of.

No, what you're saying now is that it's bad for people to do that. Before you were saying it was bad for BA/DA/SW to have their own rules in self-contained books, even if some of those rules and units were identical to each other, or the SM core book. As for the rest, GW's done that since the mid 90's at least, if not longer.


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 Lance845 wrote:
No you guys just have trouble reading whole sentences or carry a thought past a period. Which is why you keep misquoting and circling back to statements without being able to follow the point of said statements. Its fine. Youll spend 80-100 on your 2 books to play a single army and il keep laughing about it.

Says the guy who is having his own posts thrown back at him.

No, you'll buy all seven new books. And we'll laugh about it.

And here is a prime example. I didn't say dnd or pathfinder were over priced. I said GW was over priced.

Read more better.

I will try to keep the words and sentences shorter for you going forward so as not to confuse you.

GW bad.

More books worse than less books.

GW has less stuff in less pages for same price as dnd/pathfinder/everyone else who has more stuff in more pages.

GW sell you 2 books instead of 1 and you're happy. You should be sad. Says something about you.

 Lance845 wrote:
And here is a prime example. I didn't say dnd or pathfinder were over priced. I said GW was over priced.

ahem...

 Lance845 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Mmmpi wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Lol. You didnt tell me gak. I am very aware of the buisness practice of selling a upfront product at a loss to gain profit from supplements. Video game systems have been doing it since they started being sold as house hold devices.

I didnt drop pf or dnd. Again, by comparison, every other rpg out there with much slower publication schedules is selling their books for the same price point.

Whats more likely is you just dont understand publication costs and exactly how high gws mark ups are. Again, 35.00 pdfs.


You wont get more in depth information. You will get the same information thats been reprinted ad nauseam.

We did, because you had no clue of the concept (based on your posts) until it was pointed out. Even then, it took several attempts to get you to clue in, and you still didn't get it right until this post.

I do understand them, and 35 for a PDF is insane. So what you're saying is that currently, if I buy the BA book, I won't have to buy the SM book to get the fluff I want to read? Because that's a good thing.

You didnt. Because the concept was besides the point. And i made OTHER examples to get you back on track with the actual point. Gws books are over priced and of lower quality with worse content. Its true of dnd and pathfinder in any edition. Its true of smaller publications with less often releases and slower production schedules. Its true of other wargames.

What i am saying is it is bad for you and everyone else to have to reference 2 books to get your rules. 3 if you want to use index options. 4 if you want ca point updates. 8 if you want the faq errata.

Why are you happy about this?

You were saying?

 Lance845 wrote:
GW bad

Subjective.

 Lance845 wrote:
More books worse than less books.

Subjective.

 Lance845 wrote:
GW has less stuff in less pages for same price as dnd/pathfinder/everyone else who has more stuff in more pages.

Because it's a loss leader for Pazio. Who knows about the others. Maybe they had to sacrifice quality for the price. Who knows. GW is expensive though.

 Lance845 wrote:
GW sell you 2 books instead of 1 and you're happy. You should be sad. Says something about you.

You tried to get us to buy two books instead of one (rules and fluff), so you don't have a leg to stand on.

 Lance845 wrote:
No you guys just have trouble reading whole sentences or carry a thought past a period. Which is why you keep misquoting and circling back to statements without being able to follow the point of said statements. Its fine. Youll spend 80-100 on your 2 books to play a single army and il keep laughing about it.

I quoted the Complete sentences verbatim with Copy and Paste.. But you keep lying about what you've said.

Evidence, Index Imperium 1. It has all the datasheets and isn't 200 pages and includes the other armies people are not suggesting get folded into the SM dex. GK and DW can get folded into a agents of the imperium dex with sisters of silence and the assassins.

Incorrect. I said the datasheets for the codexes that we were suggesting get merged were under 200 pages. Remove everything GK and DW from the index. Remove the redundant pointless units.

The hypothetical codex will be under 200 pages after removing GK and DW - But you said Index Imperium 1 wasn't 200 pages and INCLUDED the other armies. So how did this hypothetical codex you weren't talking about get named Index Imperium 1, and both INCLUDE the other armies people aren't suggesting get folded in and NOT include the other armies people are suggesting get folded in? Maybe it's a loss leader. And 224 pages.

Sentence does not exist in vacuum.

Read whole post.

Carry thought from one sentence to next.

Bigger point being made.

Need to pay attention to understand.

Follow chat as whole instead of cherry pick bits out of context.

Hard, I know. But try.

 Lance845 wrote:
Sentence does not exist in vacuum.

Read whole post.

The sentence before that says ". Gws books are over priced and of lower quality with worse content. Its true of dnd and pathfinder in any edition. Its true of smaller publications with less often releases and slower production schedules. Its true of other wargames." So either you said what I claim, or you failed at English so badly that what you meant wasn't evident.

 Lance845 wrote:
Carry thought from one sentence to next.

See above.

 Lance845 wrote:
Bigger point being made.

Yes, just not by you.

 Lance845 wrote:
Need to pay attention to understand.

No, you need to be more clear about what you say, and try editing your posts before you accidentally agree with the person you're talking to.

 Lance845 wrote:
Follow chat as whole instead of cherry pick bits out of context.

TIL that quoting whole blocks of text is 'cherry picking' Oh wait...it isn't.

 Lance845 wrote:
Hard, I know. But try.

Follow your own advice.

Scroll to top of page.

Read.

 Lance845 wrote:
Scroll to top of page.

Read.

Nope, your only edits are from within a few minutes of you posting.

So it all still stands according the the stuff others and I have been quoting this whole time.

Well then I am sorry reading comprehension is hard for you.

Can't help you with that.

Good luck in your future.

 Lance845 wrote:
Well then I am sorry reading comprehension is hard for you.

Can't help you with that.

Good luck in your future.

And yet, when we quote you word for word, you never seem to admit that your words are being taken in context.

And yet, you actually wrote an argument in my favor (I quoted it twice, AND pointed that out)

And yet, you have yet to make the connection on what the people you're talking to have actually been saying. For at least three pages.

Don't let life hit you on the way out.

Sure.

It's very reasonable that I have made an argument that dnd is overpriced despite several pages of saying otherwise. And all of that is very important in context to the actual point of it as an example to compare gws books to. Which is itself an example to point out the price gouging tactics and selling you multiple product to play the game. But you can't keep it all straight.

It's fine. Enjoy your lack of understanding if it means you feel like you've won or something.

GW will release codex SM. You will buy it.

GW will release supplement your chapter. You will buy it.

You will spend close to if not 100.00 on multiple books to play a single army so you can reread the same stories from the last few codexes you purchased while rules referencing will get less and less convenient. It is after all what you want.

Praise be to GW! They do no wrong! The state will provide!

 Lance845 wrote:
It's very reasonable that I have made an argument that dnd is overpriced despite several pages of saying otherwise. And all of that is very important in context to the actual point of it as an example to compare gws books to. Which is itself an example to point out the price gouging tactics and selling you multiple product to play the game. But you can't keep it all straight.

I never made that argument. You did. I said it wasn't as cheap as you were making it out to be (as was BrianDavion). And the context is that you didn't know that D&D and pathfinder were selling their core books as loss leaders, based on the fact that you didn't notice it, and that it took you at least three pages and two days to actually get it (or stop arguing about it). Sorry you can't follow your own argument. It's why you have to keep resorting to Ad Hominum attacks, claiming we don't have logic, after we used math to show our points.

 Lance845 wrote:
It's fine. Enjoy your lack of understanding if it means you feel like you've won or something.

You still don't understand why many people want fluff in their codexes, and don't want to pay for a 600 page SM codex, particularly as you yourself has pointed out GW's high prices. Right now I am winning. You've been trying to deflect from the original topic for at least 12 hours now.

 Lance845 wrote:
GW will release codex SM. You will buy it.

I don't play space marines.

 Lance845 wrote:
GW will release supplement your chapter. You will buy it

I don't play space marines, so I'm not going to buy a supplement.

 Lance845 wrote:
You will spend close to if not 100.00 on multiple books to play a single army so you can reread the same stories from the last few codexes you purchased while rules referencing will get less and less convenient. It is after all what you want.

You will too.

 Lance845 wrote:
Praise be to GW! They do no wrong! The state will provide!

You said it, not me.

Think we are done here.