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Ghaz wrote:

carmachu wrote:It doesnt matter how you try and work it out, ALL the reserve rolls are at -1, rgular or special. Officer of the fleet specifically says ALL his opponents reserve rolls while he's alive.

And it doesn't matter what it says. The rules for the Positional Relay says it is a 2+, period. Now what do you have that says that the Officer of the Fleet's Intercept Reserves rules take precedence over the Tau's Positional Relay?

Actually, where does it say it is a 2+ always and always with no exceptions ever? oh wait, it doesn't. You are still coming in on a 2+, but it is a 2+ with the dice roll (not the roll needed, big difference) being modified by -1.

Ghaz wrote:So once again, what proof do you have that the Intercept Reserves rule takes precedence? There is none. Neither rule overrides the other.

And once again, you have missed the point. Intercept Reserves DOES NOT CHANGE what you need for Positional relay. You are Still coming on on a 2+. However, the 2+ does not say that it is an unmodified 2+. Intercept reserves modifies the result of the dice you roll, it does not modify what result you need to deploy. Neither rule "overrides" the other because there is no overriding taking place. You need a result of 2+ to bring them in, and whatever you roll is reduced by one by Intercept Reserves (meaning that a Roll of 1 becomes result of 0, a Roll of 2 becomes a Result of 1, a roll of 3 becomes a result of 2 etc etc).

Ghaz wrote:

carmachu wrote:There's nothing there saying it cant be modified, You keep saying may may may......but may doesnt trump "must" and "all"

Perhaps you should read THIS before you try to follow that line of 'reasoning' to defend your position.

And yet again, the words 'must' and all' are NOT trumps. They simple tell you that you can't decide not to use the Intercept Reserves special rule if it would benefit you. Nothing else.

And I have shown you what the rules say you CAN do. The rules say you CAN place the unit on a Result of 2+ for your reserves roll. Nowhere does it say the 2+ is never subject to modifiers, so it is subject. Therefore, Intercept Reserves CAN reduce your roll for any and all reserves rolls, including those done by the positional relay. Therefore, you CAN roll your reserve dice, and you CAN (MUST) reduce whatever you roll by 1 to determine the final result.

Sorry mate, you are 100% wrong on this one.

Ghaz wrote:After looking, I will admit that I was wrong but not for the reasons carmachu was trying to use. The Tau Positional Relay gives you a target number of 2+ that has to be rolled for the unit to come in from Reserve while the Intercept Reserves special rule modifies the dice roll being made. The words 'must' and 'all' have nothing to do with it. The two rules affect two different aspects of Reserves.

Which was my argument -Shakes hand- 'twas a Splendid game of Rules Cricket good sir, would you care to retire for some tea and crumpets, complements of the victor of course-

(I think I need to Up my meds, what do you think? )

Orkeosaurus wrote:How do you know the roll for the positional relay is a reserve roll though?

It doesn't say that it's a reserve roll anywhere in it's description.

Yes there is, I'll Highlight it in Pink:
"a single unit that is being held in Reserve may be deployed on a D6 roll of 2+, though no other units in Reserve may be deployed this turn"

That pretty much cinches it as a Reserves roll.

BTW, what book is the Positional Relay in?

Che-Vito wrote:

Gwar! wrote:BTW, what book is the Positional Relay in?

Posted earlier, it is pg. 27 of the Tau Empire 4th Edition codex.

Ah-ha! Yes I missed that. Yeah, the wording most certainly indicates it's a reserve roll.

This reminds me of the "argument" people use to try and stop people using perfectly legitimate 2nd edition Avatars.

The argument was basically, the 4th ed Codex says the Avatar has the Wailing Doom. The 2nd edition model (armed with the weapons it had in the 2nd edition Codex) does not have a Wailing Doom, but has +++=][=+++Xenos Language Censored by order of the Ordo Xenos Directive D573.9 +++=][=+++ which when translated into Gothic (English) was "The Doom That Wails". Therefore the 2nd edition Model is no Longer WYSIWYG and therefore Illegal to use