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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/26 18:04:04
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Never-Miss Nightwing Pilot
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This is the story of my Lord, and how he single handedly killed all my friends goblins
Its not really a battle report sort of a fragment of one
I fought my friend dwarf vs O&G and he had loads of goblins. 6 units of 30, however my Lord was not worried. I had given a rune which gave him a 1+ armour save, so baciacally he could only be killed by something with, S4 or more, something with AP rule, or something which ignored armour saves.
Goblins are none of these so i just charged them all, and they couldnt kill it.
OWNAGE!!
I won however by heroic lord later got killed by loads of trolls
The end
OWNAGE!!!
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"The stars themselves once lived and died at our command yet you still dare oppose our will. "-Farseer Mirehn Biellann
Armies at 'The Stand-still Point':
Cap'n Waaagggh's warband (Fantasy Orcs) 2250pts. Waaagghhh! in full flow... W-D-L=10-3-3
Hive Fleet Leviathan Strand 1500pts. W-D-L=7-1-2 Nom.
Eldar armies of various sizes W-D-L 26-6-3
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/26 18:26:19
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Fanatic with Madcap Mushrooms
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Hmmmm.......
awesome.
But consider this.
Dreadlord with Armor of Eternal Servitude and Pendant of Khaleth. Sea Dragon Cloak, Sword of Might and Shield.
+3 save with Negative ward and Regen. S5.
ha ha......I'm so cheesy.
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Some people play to win, some people play for fun. Me? I play to kill toy soldiers.
DR:90S++GMB++IPwh40k206#+D++A++/hWD350R+++T(S)DM+
WHFB, AoS, 40k, WM/H, Starship Troopers Miniatures, FoW
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/26 18:31:51
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
Spreading the word of the Turtle Pie
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You automatically fail a save if you roll a one, so no he wasn't unkillable. Besides: Khorne lord on juggernaught, enhanted shield and crown of everlasting conquest. -1 + armour save and regen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/26 20:50:15
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Widowmaker
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Mekboy wrote:You automatically fail a save if you roll a one, so no he wasn't unkillable.
Besides:
Khorne lord on juggernaught, enhanted shield and crown of everlasting conquest.
-1 + armour save and regen.
Not immune to KB
The elf is tougher
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/26 23:37:49
Subject: Re:The unkillable dwarf lord
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Morphing Obliterator
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I would like to point out that any roll of a 1 is still a failure, so you still have to roll the saves on your dwarf lord and lowly goblins can still kill him.
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taking up the mission
Polonius wrote:Well, seeing as I literally will die if I ever lose a game of 40k, I find your approach almost heretical. If we were to play each other in a tournament, not only would I table you, I would murder you, your family, every woman you ever loved and burn down your house. I mean, what's the point in winning if you allow people that don't take the game seriously to live? |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/27 00:30:10
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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Or win on static combat resolution, break him and run him down. Arguably the easier way.
RZ
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“It was in lands of the Chi-An where she finally ran him to ground. There she kissed him deeply as he lay dying, and so stole from him his last, agonized breath.
On a delicate chain at her throat, she keeps it with her to this day.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/27 04:11:13
Subject: Re:The unkillable dwarf lord
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Crazy Marauder Horseman
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Pit of Shades, dwarf armor is pretty heavy after all  .
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There is no victory like complete and total Domination!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/27 05:33:56
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Fanatic with Madcap Mushrooms
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Hmmmm.....
also, wouldn't his Dwarf Lord been out res-ed?
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Some people play to win, some people play for fun. Me? I play to kill toy soldiers.
DR:90S++GMB++IPwh40k206#+D++A++/hWD350R+++T(S)DM+
WHFB, AoS, 40k, WM/H, Starship Troopers Miniatures, FoW
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/27 06:58:32
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Deadly Tomb Guard
South Carolina
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well if he was takeing one at time lets do the math.
+1 for outnumber
+1 for standard
+3 for rank bonus
He'd have to kill five gobbos for a draw and six for the win.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/27 09:44:09
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
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Saurus Oldblood with Cold One, light armour, Enchanted Shield. -1+ armour save and you could even buy him a "awesome" 5+ ward save. I'm not sure, but I think that he is cheaper than your Dwarf Lord.
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Space Orks: 11/1/1
Space Marines: 10/2/5
Lizardmen: 8/2/3
High Elves: 13/2/2 and one tournament victory!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/27 11:01:12
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Guarding Guardian
Exeter, England, United Kingdom
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Umm, how long have you been playing Fantasy EldarOwn, because you seriously need to re-read the rules on armour saves...
Damn cheater!
However awesome it would be if a 1+ made him invulnerable to Strength 3, that's just not the case - as many above have stated.
Oh well, I'm sure you'll only get put in the Book of Grudges for a little while...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/27 12:11:32
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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[DCM]
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Or 18 Fanatics from the 6 NG units.
He did take NGs didn't he?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/27 12:21:15
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Never-Miss Nightwing Pilot
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Nope.
And i know a roll of a 1 always fails
Automatically Appended Next Post: However my friend doesent
Dont worry he cheats as well, acoording to him all chaos marines are fearless!
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/05/27 12:22:46
"The stars themselves once lived and died at our command yet you still dare oppose our will. "-Farseer Mirehn Biellann
Armies at 'The Stand-still Point':
Cap'n Waaagggh's warband (Fantasy Orcs) 2250pts. Waaagghhh! in full flow... W-D-L=10-3-3
Hive Fleet Leviathan Strand 1500pts. W-D-L=7-1-2 Nom.
Eldar armies of various sizes W-D-L 26-6-3
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/27 13:33:01
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Unkillable Dwarf Lord:
Mounted on Shield Bearers (gives him +2 to his armor, makes him US3 and thus Immune to Killing Blow)
Rune of Stone (Gives him a 1+ Armor Save total)
Master Rune of Steel (any hits over S5, count as S5)
Rune of Resistance (Re-Roll Failed Armor Saves)
Master Rune of Spite (4+ Ward Save)
Give him a Great Weapon so he has 4 S6 attacks, albeit non-magical.
So you've got something that's WS7, T5, that is only ever wounded on 4's, thanks to anything over S5 being limited to S5, then he's got at worst a 3+ Save (unless you're hit by something that ignores armor), that you can re-roll, and a 4+ Ward. And he's Immune to Killing Blow.
Of course, seeing a Dwarf Lord on the table means you will never, ever see combat, since most other characters can just go around him and his unit, but still, it's nice to know that if a Blood Thirster DID charge in, you can probably bend him over your stubby little knee's and whittle him down eventually.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/27 13:40:14
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Never-Miss Nightwing Pilot
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Voodoo Boyz wrote:
Rune of Stone (Gives him a 1+ Armor Save total)
I think voodo boy is saying it will total 1+ but if he thinks it gives him a 1+ armour save without any extras thats the wrong rune.
And how much will all that cost, will it fit in his magical things point restriction
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"The stars themselves once lived and died at our command yet you still dare oppose our will. "-Farseer Mirehn Biellann
Armies at 'The Stand-still Point':
Cap'n Waaagggh's warband (Fantasy Orcs) 2250pts. Waaagghhh! in full flow... W-D-L=10-3-3
Hive Fleet Leviathan Strand 1500pts. W-D-L=7-1-2 Nom.
Eldar armies of various sizes W-D-L 26-6-3
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/27 15:28:57
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Krazed Killa Kan
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It will give him a total 1+ armor save since:
Starts at 4+ (Gromril Armor)
+2 to that from the Shield Bearer's (2+ Armor Save)
+1 to that from Rune of Stone (1+ Armor Save)
Yes it all just fits into his 125 Points allowance for runic items.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/27 15:53:13
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
Well I kind of moved near Toronto, actually.
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Voodoo Boyz wrote:Of course, seeing a Dwarf Lord on the table means you will never, ever see combat, since most other characters can just go around him and his unit, but still, it's nice to know that if a Blood Thirster DID charge in, you can probably bend him over your stubby little knee's and whittle him down eventually.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/27 17:14:12
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Why do laugh at something so maddening for Dwarf players.
Sure you can use the Master Rune of Challenge to try and get things to charge into his unit, but that doesn't work on half the armies on the field, and especially against the ones that matter.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/27 21:09:31
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
Well I kind of moved near Toronto, actually.
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I just thought it was cool you could make a character so hard and then give him a Great Weapon.
Besides, they are dwarves; they can take it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/28 15:15:08
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Tacobake wrote:I just thought it was cool you could make a character so hard and then give him a Great Weapon.
Besides, they are dwarves; they can take it. 
It's the perennial problem with Dwarfs. You can make them really hard to kill, or really offensive, but not really both.
Sure they can be tough and hit hard, but then they're not really going to stand up to other Lords/Monsters. And a Great Weapon isn't bad on him, it's still 4 WS7 S6 attacks, the only downside being that they're not magical so they can't hurt Wraiths.
Personally, I find the above lord to be moderately good. You put a Thane in his unit as well that has the Master Rune of Challenge, and you can effectively take most Dragon Riders out of the game since they're likely not Immune to Psych.
Force them to Charge in or flee, Challenge with the Unkillable Lord, and then win on CR by a decent amount.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/28 15:28:45
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Never-Miss Nightwing Pilot
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Voodoo Boyz wrote:
It's the perennial problem with Dwarfs. You can make them really hard to kill, or really offensive, but not really both.
Very true, either or really, give my thane/lord the rune which gives it +1 T equalling T6 and against things which are mostly S3 or 4 like elves it can b very hard 2 kill. T6 means S4 needs a 6 to wound it, that is hard, trust me
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"The stars themselves once lived and died at our command yet you still dare oppose our will. "-Farseer Mirehn Biellann
Armies at 'The Stand-still Point':
Cap'n Waaagggh's warband (Fantasy Orcs) 2250pts. Waaagghhh! in full flow... W-D-L=10-3-3
Hive Fleet Leviathan Strand 1500pts. W-D-L=7-1-2 Nom.
Eldar armies of various sizes W-D-L 26-6-3
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/28 17:12:54
Subject: Re:The unkillable dwarf lord
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Widowmaker
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How would beating a dragon with dwarves take it out of the game? It would just run and probably not be caught...then your rune of challenge is gone too. Dwarf cannons take dragons out of the game.
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2012- stopped caring
Nova Open 2011- Orks 8th Seed---(I see a trend)
Adepticon 2011- Mike H. Orks 8th Seed (This was the WTF list of the Final 16)
Adepticon 2011- Combat Patrol Best General |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/28 22:49:43
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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Well I think typically you'd be trying to have a gyro waiting to chase off the big brute. But yes, you've identified the other problem with Dwarfs- even if you get the enemy to fight you, you're only likely to break them, and then not run them down, then watch them rally, then have to try to do it again. Booo.
RZ
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“It was in lands of the Chi-An where she finally ran him to ground. There she kissed him deeply as he lay dying, and so stole from him his last, agonized breath.
On a delicate chain at her throat, she keeps it with her to this day.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/29 12:03:28
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Yes, the above requires the Gyro to work in order to make it so that the Dragon doesn't have the safety to flee.
Cannon's kill stuff, butt with Dragons that have real ward saves (greater daemons), or "randomization" saves so your cannon ball goes into the Inverse Ward Save guy on top of the dragon, being able to kill a Dragon/GD in a round of even Dwarf shooting is not likely.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/06/12 05:08:45
Subject: Re:The unkillable dwarf lord
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Mighty Chosen Warrior of Chaos
Sorry can't disclose.....infiltrating
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Well lol i guess congrats on the win, even if it was under false rule pretenses
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My Armies :
VC
Warriors of Chaos
Dark Elves
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/06/12 16:29:09
Subject: The unkillable dwarf lord
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Torch-Wielding Lunatic
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Tzeentch sorcerer on a disk, alway staying 8" away, just laughing. hehe, stubbies
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40k:
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Chaos -
- 1300 pts
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