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hey, i am wondering what percentage of warhammer players also play D&D

I've been playing it 5 years on and off, although our DM has moved to Japen for a year so back to being off again!

I dont know one percent but its pretty good. Makes me laugh how so many people make fun of people who play DnD when their epic games all owe something to DnD

its going to be about 80%

I used to play quite a bit before my group came down with a fatal case of RPGA, then that "Living (Insert D&D setting here)" and then the fething video game. What's wrong with just sitting down around a table and playing the game without needing it spoon-fed to you? I would play again if I could get in a group of people who were into the real game and not distracted by everybody's attempts to institutionalize it.

I haven't played since most of the idiots started playing WoW, saying it's a much better role-playing experience. What a load of bs. It's nothing but a treadmill that makes you fatter.

AD&D classic had its moments.

2nd editon changed the gmae, but did not change what was fundamentally wrong with it.

3rd edition basically fixed the game but made some errors.

3.5 edition fixed most of those errors and imbalances but created a fair share of news ones.

4th edition is a design disaster that makes the worst GW studio monkeys look like paragons of enlightenment in comparison. It's the Vista 'upgrade' of gaming.

Vin Diesel apparently wrote some introduction in one of those D&D books.

You can't get much cooler than that!

When do you think GW will have some action star write the introduction of their latest Space Marines book?

I hear Ah-nold is going to write the Necron codex.

I have a few of the D&D dungeon tilesets, but that's mostly for Dark Heresy. I've never actually played D&D or even owned a book from it.

Did listen to the Penny Arcade podcasts. They were hilarious.

Played it many years ago in High School.

Hated it, to be honest. Then again, I've never really liked the fantasy genre, so I probably didn't give it a fair go.

My current regular gaming group has some D&D players. They're munchkins, though (some are chronological grown-ups, but they still play like 12 year olds) and I'd never consider playing with them.

Played on and off since '84. Won't touch 4th edition after reading about the changes.

I hear the 4th edition is basically World of Warcraft without the computers.

Cheese Elemental wrote:I hear the 4th edition is basically World of Warcraft without the computers.

Meh. Who cares. The podcasts sounded like they were having fun, and if you don't take it too seriously it would work. And as for the whole 4th Ed h8ting, while I might not have any experience with either ruleset except for what I've picked up via osmosis, I really can't see what the big deal is. Everything I've heard and seen about 4th Ed makes logical sense to me.

I have followed DnD in some form or another since AD&D2E and currently play regularly.

The 4E hate is over-done. They simplified it a lot, streamline it a lot, but improved balance considerably (not perfect, but nothing is) and added some really interesting concepts. More importantly, it has opened the game up to a wider audience than ever before, meaning we now have more people to play with, and better business for Wizards. I have never DMed, but I am assured that it is now easier and more fun than ever before.

Used to play it loads as a kid in the late 70's/early 80's (I started with the 3 little brown booklets, before even the 1st ed. DMG was published). Stopped playing when I left school as I never again found the time needed to develop a campaign or play regularly.

With the right group of players, and provided I didn't have to DM I could be persuaded to get back into it again, but that's unlikely to happen any time in the next 2 decades...

I have played D&D since I was 7 when the neighbors older brother ran a dungeon , that was about 30 years ago. I also have a creative streak (read art major) so D&D supplies a creative outlet. The thing about D&D is it allows you to step back from the regular and mundane and participate in something heroic and fantastic if you have an iota of imagination. Video games are for those who want to be spoonfed. Creativity is having your party throw the cleric into the dragons mouth so he can get his "harm" spell off. Or one of your players opens a chest and as you clear your throat he looks at you like a deer caught in the headlights. Its moments like that, that can't be duplicated in a video game that you can sit back and laugh at them years later. Now if they could get a Neverwinter nights platform with good mechanics to be an easy DM tool. Then you could construct a game and LAN your players through with netbooks in realtime. Then you would see the next evolution of D&D. Neverwinter nights 1 had that capability but you had to know C+. But instead the put out Neverwinter nights 2 i with a horrible movement interface. Most people that play table tops are gamers, it still takes imagination to get excited over 40K and Fantasy.

Started playing D&D in 1976, this was BEFORE it was character driven. It was a wargame based on countries, had an economy etc. Turn based strategy with yourself as the "king". Got the first printing of all the books in my basement, couple signed by Gygax.
While AD&D was good, Second edition was bette IMO, streamlined the rules, and made it flow better.
Then Wizards of the Coast bought TSR... D&D has been dieing a slow and miserable death since then.
I did pick up a copy the the lateset Players handbook to read through it, thinking about getting a game started. Finished the book, and was sorely disappointed. This edition completely ruined the game.
Other people near my age that played in the 80s and 90s, that I know, have told me "this is not D&D". It's not. It is a joke in comparison to the richness of AD&D and 2nd Edition. There is no role playing anymore it is all based on numbers now. Worse the RoleMaster with it's massive crit tables that you had to look up EVERY strike in combat. a/crit etc.
RuneQuest was fun but it revolved around POW to much, and the armor values were way to wonky.
Champions was OK, moved to slow.
CyberPunk was AWESOMESAUCE!
GURPS was OK.
I can keep going but won't

This is only my opinion, please don't flame me.

Malika2 wrote:Vin Diesel apparently wrote some introduction in one of those D&D books.
You can't get much cooler than that!

I think it was the anniversary 'coffee table book' they released a few years ago.

I've tried it a couple of times, but just never liked the system that much. Regardless though, it did have its moments and I can see why people enjoy the game. Even at that though, I've just found other RPG systems which better lend themselves to the type of RPG I like to play.

I've been playing D&D for almost 28 years.
I played every edition of D&D from the basic box sets up through 3.5, when I abandoned it as unenjoyable.

I don't like what they're doing to the game. It's all about developing your character as a combat monster, now, and not at all about "character development."

Recently, I started an AD&D 2nd edition campaign and managed to find 7 other players (with an 8th who's now interested). That system is the BEST in D&D's history, IMO, and was the SOLE basis for my choice of "frigging awesome."

Eric

2nd Edition was when I played (and loved) AD&D. Before that I was into Tunnels and Trolls; afterwards, my group went into a homemade system that's served us pretty well for nigh-on 20 years (/aside .. OMG 20 years).

Considering taking a break and reffing some Godlike, though.

4th really isn't that bad. The options your characters have might seem limited, but honestly, it's still a bunch of guys sitting around a table pretending to be a character and rolling dice. Even with how different it is, it's really not that different. I play both 3.5 and 4th currently.

I played 2nd, 3rd, and now 3.5.

My group moved to 4th for a while, then switched back to 3.5.

I was the GM of a D&D group recently. It was pretty cool, one member of the group had acces to a litterally LIBRARY of old books, because a relative had helped to bring D&D to germany. So we played first edition and I loved it. The old books were really complicated; I remeber a tabel about the weight of certan kinds of stone in fortress walls of various length. The illustrations were great, really old fabtasy feeling, a bit grimdark as well and always funny. There was just one problem.: We looked through the books over and over again, but we weren´t able to find the rules for fighting. Everywhere where you could expect martial texts, there were links to other books! But gaming is great and has a real Fantasy-Feeling on it . Dark, Funny, Creative.

Balance wrote:

Malika2 wrote:Vin Diesel apparently wrote some introduction in one of those D&D books.
You can't get much cooler than that!

I think it was the anniversary 'coffee table book' they released a few years ago.

So? It has f'ing Vin Diesel in it! Can't go wrong with that, now it means it's ultimate bad ass!

Used to play DnD alot at school and college its what pushed Warhammer and GW in general on the back burner for me, since our group split up though i've never found like minded players to play with, he used the 3.5 ed rules but made it as character driven as possible (even tossing out sections of the rulebook that were too "rules focused" if that makes sense) every other player just likes to run around dungeons and kick the crap out of stuff, I want to be part of story and have a reason for doing my fighting other than theres orcs or gold over there.

Its an awesome game you just have to find the right people to play it with

Played DnD in the early 80's in high school. Played almost consistently every weekend since 96, with a couple breaks here and there.

Currently playing 3.5 I think while there are class imbalances ( clerics rule the game) and combat problems ( archers get more play then melee fighters), the game is fine, for any type of gaming experience you want.

I think it's a better game to play then 2nd edition. If you could bring the balance 2nd edition had to 3.5, no one would say 2.0 was better.

4th edition DND has been a colossal flop, with sales dropping off considerably, and the company in its death throes. They changed too much too fast. Tone down clerics, fix melee fighters, make wizards more viable to play and make it easier to plan encounters and you're done.

The one thing I hate about 3.5 ( and 4th) was the change in art direction, from classic fantasy to a steampunk/spikes/bad fantasy movie look.

The DnD online game was set in the steampunk world of eberron wasn't it? Hence why I never played.

Malika2 wrote:

Balance wrote:

Malika2 wrote:Vin Diesel apparently wrote some introduction in one of those D&D books.
You can't get much cooler than that!

I think it was the anniversary 'coffee table book' they released a few years ago.

So? It has f'ing Vin Diesel in it! Can't go wrong with that, now it means it's ultimate bad ass!

I was merely trying to provide some background. I got a copy of it for a friend's birthday a few years ago and it's got some fun stuff in it.

The Deadlands RPG got Bruce Campbell to do an introduction for one book. It was amusing, despite him onyl having a vague idea what an RPG is, I think.

Played DnD since I was eleven. Always loved it. I'd be playing now, but I'm not a geek's geek so I have some problems finding a group that doesn't ruin the game for me. I love 4th edition, I've only had a chance to run it and play it once. But it's just a much better game. A lot easier to play.

I could argue and bitch and moan with the rest of you. But I won't. DnD has been a good game, always. In every edition. People just don't like change.