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I am going to be buying a land raider, but I need to know which one I should get. The core of my army is Tac squads (missiles and multimeltas) and Devastater squads(missile, hevay bolter, 2x lasscannon) I have two of each. My entire army is hotting, so any suggestions? EDIT: I play space marines. Sorry for the confusion. No chaos here.

Does the Crusader kit still come with all the parts for a normal LR, or does GW now trim off all the lascannon sections of the sprue? If the former, buy the Crusader box, since no matter which LR you eventually decide to build, you'll have extra parts left over for other conversions.

I own two redeemers and absolutely love them! Godhammer pattern is a point sink and crusader is somewhat situational IMO.




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oh and they sell only godhammer pattern variant and crusader/redeemer variant boxes.

Get the redeemer and some magnets to magnetize it so it can be both a redeemer and crusader .


That said REDEEMERS fething RULE

Chaos Land Raider with Possession.



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Gandair wrote:Chaos Land Raider with Possession.



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20 points to reduce your BS to 3, and do what extra armor does, provided you are using it as a transport rather as a MBT (and there are better MBTs in the Codex)
and if you are using it as an MBT, you do not want your BS put down to 3.

Not worth it at all.

Pssst....(whispers)...get the redeemer...

What kind of role do you see it providing in your army? They are wonderful transports but another consideration is what you will be putting in them. Based on the the fact that you have some ranged anti-tank in your infantry I might suggest the Redeemer/Crusader box and highly recommend the magnets. If you feel you need more AT the basic Landraider might fill a role for you.

My vote is for the Redeemer/Crusader kit.

Canonness Rory wrote:

Gandair wrote:Chaos Land Raider with Possession.



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20 points to reduce your BS to 3, and do what extra armor does, provided you are using it as a transport rather as a MBT (and there are better MBTs in the Codex)
and if you are using it as an MBT, you do not want your BS put down to 3.

Not worth it at all.

Well the following situation occurs a lot:

Chaos vs Tyranids

LR with posession loaded with 7 zerks and champ, sorc HQ, and kharn. It moves 12.

6 venom cannon shots. The VC can ONLY glance. my table is as follows.

Roll a d6.
1 - 2 = nothing
2 - 2 = nothing
3 - 2 = 1, ignored by possession
4 - 2 = 2, ignored by possession
5 - 2 = 3, weapon destroyed, LR has TL-Las, TL-Las, TL-HB, TL-pintle weapon
6 - 2 = 4, immobilized.

Unless I roll a 6 the super squad rolls up and maul the tyrant and his guard all at once. Possibly multiassaulting the warrior squad if it's left too close, you get the idea.




Your mileage may vary, but I use my LRs as a transport first, and gun box second. Possession get them where they need to go and every weapon is twin-linked anyway so the BS reduction isn't too bad.

Volkan wrote:What kind of role do you see it providing in your army? They are wonderful transports but another consideration is what you will be putting in them. Based on the the fact that you have some ranged anti-tank in your infantry I might suggest the Redeemer/Crusader box and highly recommend the magnets. If you feel you need more AT the basic Landraider might fill a role for you.

I shouldnt buy the normal one, becuase it seems like, if you look at my models, I have a love affair with Lascannons. And guys I DONT PLAY CHOAS! TELLING ME WHY I SHOULD GET THE CHOAS ONE IS NOT HELPING!

I shouldnt buy the normal one, becuase it seems like, if you look at my models, I have a love affair with Lascannons. And guys I DONT PLAY CHOAS! TELLING ME WHY I SHOULD GET THE CHOAS ONE IS NOT HELPING!

Well I think you've got your answer then

The next step is deciding what gets to ride in it.

Gandair wrote:
Roll a d6.
1 - 2 = nothing
2 - 2 = nothing
3 - 2 = 1, ignored by possession
4 - 2 = 2, ignored by possession
5 - 2 = 3, weapon destroyed, LR has TL-Las, TL-Las, TL-HB, TL-pintle weapon
6 - 2 = 4, immobilized.

Well your assumptions about stopping the venom cannon are essentially correct I just wanted to point out that glancing hits being reduced below 1, still leaves them at Crew Shaken, not no effect (check the full description in the shooting section rather then the index summary, which is incomplete).

Jack

Extra Armor, for 5 points less, lets it still function as a Transport in the same way as possession will.

Crusader. Redeemers are too situational. Crusaders actually let you fire EVERY STINKIN gun you can possibly mount on it while still moving 6". One of which can be at a secondary target. (HK's are the exception... but nobody buys those anyway)

Redeemers. Burnyness

I'd say get the Crusader box, as you get the Redeemer, and if you pin the side sponsons, you could change them repeatedly. Good luck with the army as well

MC

Lordhat wrote:Crusader. Redeemers are too situational. Crusaders actually let you fire EVERY STINKIN gun you can possibly mount on it while still moving 6". One of which can be at a secondary target. (HK's are the exception... but nobody buys those anyway)

See its this temptation that helps make the Redeemer a better assault transport though, it can roll 12 and fire one gun because it will so rarely be in a position to fire multiple, except perhaps on its final appraoch when it slows to combat speed and Flamestorms a unit to either side while disgorging its troops into a third.

Jack

I'd go with the crusader.

It's a good transport and MBT.

I'd go for the Crusader. Does the Redeemer get a troops capacity. all that promethium must be pretty explosive

MC

Redeemer gets a 12 model troop capacity just like the Godhammer pattern.

Nice. I can see that being very useful with Assault Terminators. I have got a Land Raider, can be built as either a normal one, or the Crusader. Which one should I go for?

MC

Redeemer just for its epicnesss

One problem I have with the Redeemer is how it's only really any good in really close quarters. It would be epic in COD, but I can't really see it being massively good in any other situation.

MC

If you are delivering what is inside the Land raider to assault range you are going to get into really close quarters or go boom trying. remember that if you are moving 12 inches you can only fire with the machine spirit and in that case its only 1 weapon. Over 12 inches away and using just 1 weapon both would be firing only an assault cannon or an added MM.

True.Do all the bolters on one sponson count as one weapon, or as 3 separate weapon?

MC

1 gun, this is the codex description:

Each Hurricane Bolter consists of three twin-linked bolters, fired as a single weapon

Thanks. I was reading a fairly new WD, and it said that you can target different units with the two Flamestorm cannons. Is this right?

MC

Lordhat wrote:Crusader. Redeemers are too situational. Crusaders actually let you fire EVERY STINKIN gun you can possibly mount on it while still moving 6". One of which can be at a secondary target. (HK's are the exception... but nobody buys those anyway)

And crusaders do jack squat against power armor. If you play in a marine heavy area I'd go with the redeemer. I know mine won the 3rd game of my last tourny by being able to fry a squad of marines.

Thanks. I was reading a fairly new WD, and it said that you can target different units with the two Flamestorm cannons. Is this right?

You can fire one normally and then use the 2nd with Power of the Machine Spirit to target a different squad. This does require that you move a maximum of 6 inches though as both cannons are primary weapons.