Transports during Dawn of War mission setup

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**Dashofpepper**

I was in a tournament this past weekend, and this mission was Dawn of War. One HQ and two troop choices.

I put out two trukks; one with Ghazghkull and 10 nobs in it, and one with 12 boyz in it. Simple enough.

Someone on the table next to me said that was illegal, and the tournament organizer agreed with him; as in, dedicated transports count as a unit choice for Dawn of War.

Anyone that can point to rules for me on this one? The DoW rule demonstrates someone with a vehicle putting out just the vehicle with 1 troop choice and an HQ inside and saying that they're deployed. Could use specific help.

**Drunkspleen**

The DoW rules never clearly state whether a vehicle counts for deployment purposes or not, although because it uses the term unit and it is known a vehicle counts as a seperate unit for all purposes it's not really an unclear rule, just poorly written.

I believe however there is an example (one of the little gray sideboxes) provided with the Dawn of War rules that clearly shows vehicles counting as seperate units.

edit: should have read the full question, anyway that demonstration clearly says the vehicle counts as his second unit of troops, if you re-read it it clarifies the deployment system almost entirely on it's own.

**Dashofpepper**

The reason I'm a bit incredulous is because I've been playing Warhammer 40k for almost a year now and if I've been doing it wrong the entire time, no one has ever said anything.

**Drudge Dreadnought**

Dashofpepper wrote:The reason I'm a bit incredulous is because I've been playing Warhammer 40k for almost a year now and if I've been doing it wrong the entire time, no one has ever said anything.

Most people don't really have any idea how the rules actually work

**insaniak**

That's because a lot of people make the same mistake you did.

**dumplingman**

drunkenspleen is correct Dash. If you read the little grey box it clearly states that transports are a separate unit.

Think about it this way as well. If in fact transports were not separate units, Black Templars would would be nigh unstoppable in DOW missions. Have crusader squads in dedicated landraider transports for troops and a commander with termies retinue in a dedicated transport landraider. That is 3 close combat squads that reroll all attacks in 3 landraiders in assault range on turn 1 regardless of who deployed first. A little unfair don't you think? Even without alpha strike its a terrifyingly powerful turn 1.

**Kirbinator**

That game was lame. Just sayin'.

**Dashofpepper**

Kirby, I left you a message about the tournament this coming weekend. Wanna go there instead of our friendly game?

**Gwar!**

Drudge Dreadnought wrote:Most people don't really have any idea how the rules actually work

insaniak wrote:That's because a lot of people make the same mistake you did.

I didn't! The only time I ever make a Mistake is if I am Drunk, and then it doesnt count

But yeah, Transports are a special case in DoW, as spelled out in the DoW rules.

**Lordhat**

So Gwar makes mistakes continuously from rise to rest! (But they don't count)

**Canonness Rory**

Ooh that's cold.

**nosferatu1001**

I dont get why it is "unclear" in the DOW rules - it gives dedicated transports as a specific example, showing they do indeed count as one of your allowed units....

**arinnoor**

It is unclear cause it is only in the examples, not with the rest of the rules. Does it still make sense yes, but certinly not common sense.

**nosferatu1001**

But the rules state units, not selections. units are any independent run models / groups of models.

I guess people forget that vehicles are units...

**don_mondo**

Yep, your opponent and the TO were correct. even without the specific example of a dedicated transport in the DoW deployment rules, there's the bit on page 92, Multiple Unit Choices:

Note that occasionally the Codexes allow the player to
include several units in his army at the cost of a single
force organisation slot (like dedicated transports, etc.).
Apart from being bought as a single choice, these units
operate and count as separate units in all respects.

Notice how once again dedicated transports are specifically mentioned................